<p>Annually </p>
<p>If you are going to criticize spelling you should get through the paragraph without misspelling something yourself. In any case, in a debate, it’s better to stick to arguing the issue rather than attacking the opponent (Argumentum ad hominem). Oops, guilty of that myself.</p>
<p>It’s also bad form to over-quote (Argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to authority).</p>
<p>But I take your point. Praising Reagan is rarely appropriate.</p>
<p>Consider,
Do you like Ronald Reagan? I’ve been a big GOP fan ever since the release of their 2000 candidate, W. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was with W where cheney’s presence became more apparent. I think No Child Left Behind was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. </p>
<p>Consider this,
CONSIDER this the hint of the century.
CONSIDER this the slip that brought me to my knees…failed.
<p>What did the rat tell the mountain sir (some guy on cnn international said that lol), If you have given yourself the right to criticize my school I should also have the same right to do the same, and on that topic I’ve never criticized the academics of UCSD ( really good friend of mines goes there) I criticized the professor who teaches there and his lack of research on his evidence and his belief that UCSD is a flagship, which is not even close to fitting that role.</p>
<p>As far as ■■■■■■■■ goes, I think RolloTamasi93 is much better at it and has much better style than GracedPresence. But he needs a bit more sleep to keep his edge.</p>
<p>Jason vs Frank was the one that fell into the ad hominem fallacy NOT me. He attacked UCSD (the Compton Cookout link) instead of the proposal the department heads made. And I don’t understand where I used the appeal to authority argument. Are you referring to me bringing up how UCSD proposed to shut down low tier UCs? Because that isn’t an appeal to authority…if you read the post again, I clearly ask Jason vs Aliens if UCSD’s proposal meant UCSD was criticizing UC Merced, UCRUCR, and UCSC. Nowhere do I say that the proposal was right or that UCSD is right. I was just saying that there are people out there that think UCR is even worse than I think it is. And, seeing as 23 department chairs at a flagship UC like UCLA think that UCR is an obstacle to the greatness of the government fortress of Californ-IA, I think it is safe to say I am right and you are all GONE GONE GONE! </p>
<p>Seriously though, research your fallacies before accusing others of falling into them. I apologize for the typo, however, I copied and pasted the facts from some website and I didn’t catch it. </p>
<p>Jason Bourne, I honestly can’t take you seriously after what you said about Reagan, and then spelling his name wrong, so I will only be addressing Consider this for the remainder of my ■■■■■■■■ session. Thanks you.</p>
<p>A concentration on spelling and grammar rather than the subject at hand is an example of argumentum ad hominem. As far as argumentum ad verecundiam, I am referring to citing quotes. Incessantly. </p>
<p>“And, seeing as 23 department chairs at a flagship UC like UCLA [sic] think that UCR is an obstacle to the greatness of the government fortress of Californ-IA…” could be a dual example of argumentum ad numerum and argumentum ad verecundiam; appeal to authority and numbers. The department chairs are from UCSD, not the flagship UCLA.</p>
<p>This and my previous post are examples of argumentum ad hominem. Or perhaps not, since I am not claiming that my posts really have anything to do with how UCR got its stereotype or the validity of that stereotype. I’m really just trying to stir up you and Rollo. I claim 49% victory. I’m not sure you are stirred up enough.</p>
<p>Where is Rollo? Asleep, maybe.</p>
<p>“And, seeing as 23 department chairs at a flagship UC like UCLA think that UCR is an obstacle to the greatness of the government fortress of Californ-IA, I think it is safe to say I am right and you are all GONE GONE GONE!”</p>
<p>23 department chairs at UCLA did not say this…that was UCSD! The one with the inferiority complex! </p>
<p>(kidding, UCSD kids)</p>
<p>Well, the citing of quotes in itself is not ad verecundiam. Citing a quote from an authority just for the sake of citing an authority would be ad verecundiam. This is because in an appeal to authority you use the reputation of the authority to justify whatever the authority says is true. Obviously an example of circular logic which is why ad verecundiam is a fallacy. However, I gave FACTS about Reagan’s public education policies/things he did while governor. Nowhere did I cite an authority that said Reagan was a bad governor/president.
And I believe correcting his spelling wouldn’t be ad hominem but red herring wouldn’t it? Bringing up something irrelevant to the argument at hand to divert attention from the main point. Only reason I say this is because I don’t think it was ad hominem or red herring because I didn’t really draw attention away from his main points besides the small note, hence the parantheses. I still had a larger point to make with the facts about Reagan’s policies.</p>
<p>@arcadefire1027 Yeah, it’s kind of hard to argue when I’m half-■■■■■■■■… And I was making a point that I don’t believe UCSD is a flagship UC, either.</p>
<p>Citing a quote from an authority just for the sake of citing an authority would not be argumentum ad verecundiam. The quote has to show the authority agrees with the argument to be argumentum ad verecundiam. Citing a quote from an authority just for the sake of citing an authority would be blather. So, in most cases I would have to agree with you. Your quotation cites are not argumentum ad verecundiam after all. I stand corrected.</p>
<p>Your assertion that Reagan would agree with closing some UC campuses is dubious, at least from the evidence you present. You said he demanded 20% across-the-board cuts, which indicates all UC’s would be subject to the cuts. Since UCSC and UCR did exist at the time, “across-the-board” would apply equally to UCSD , UCSC and UCR as well as the rest of the campuses at the time.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if you’re saying my statement was blather…but if you are, how is listing some facts in any way a fellatios argument? Can you directly point at my post and show me where I cited an authority? These are undisputable facts, not opinions. </p>
<p>Also, the way budget cuts for UC work is not decided by the governor of California, but rather the president of the University of California. So, by 20% cuts across the board, Reagan was cutting the budgets of the Cal State, UC, and CC system, NOT specific UCs. After reviewing his anti-public education policies, one can conclude Reagan had great contempt for state schools and would have been for anything that proposed to close down public universities.</p>
<p>Actually I am bring in a fallacy to the spotlight on the research of the author of the you so godly UCSD prof. I showed the Compton cookout to show that your godly school isn’t so perfect as you make it out to be, thus why should a research University that is ranked 94 in the nation and is a haven to minority students be shut down if the proposed “flagship” has events that essentialist and homogenizes a diverse city into a stereotype party . Plus I never attacked Reagan at anytime, I used a simile in comparing a great president like Reagan to a lame duck like W. </p>
<p>Even if you wont take my ■■■■■ bait, i’ll pull a Ron Paul and still pick at you and ruin you presence (plus i have absolutely nothing to do until school starts) :p</p>
<p>Jason, just cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
We (Consider and I) don’t agree with anything you say because you have your opinion, I have my opinion, and that’s a lot. Everyone has their own opinion. So let’s talk about it. </p>
<p>“There’s only one Zlatan”
-Zlatan</p>
<p>GracedPresence, a long list of quotes not related to the subject is blather. A long list of quotes related to the subject is argumentum ad verecundiam. But you aren’t quoting anymore… Good job, and thank you!</p>
<p>So, you are saying that Reagan would have shut down UCSD as well as UCSC and UCR, along with the rest of the campuses? If that was based on a general contempt for all public universities, how is it relevant to a discussion about closing particular campuses in a specific state university system? And the fact, or not, of Reagan’s opinion is not a valid argument.</p>
<p>Rollo, are you using me as an authority in an argumentum ad verecundiam? The most successful argumentum ad verecundiam depends on the authority being dead. They’re much more agreeable.</p>
<p>Given that I only come online about once every two days I have no idea how you guys get in these fights…</p>
<p>Reagan sucks, IMO :3</p>
<p>I finally see that Jason successfully ■■■■■■■ me by saying Reagan was a great president…</p>
<p>And I see, too, that Consider got successfully ■■■■■■■ by my movie quotes… </p>
<p>All in all, it was a rather mediocre ■■■■■ job. </p>
<p>“I’m finished!” - John Proctor, There Will be Milk Shakes</p>
<p>“…George W.Bush was as great of a president as Regan because they are from the same political party”</p>
<p>I never attacked Reagan I attacked W and your assumption ( well the UCSD prof assumption) that UCSD is a flag ship nowhere do I recall attacking Reagan.</p>
<p>To me it clearly looks like a simile.</p>
I know this thread is SUPER old but I would like to put my 2 cents. As stated before, UCR is a referral campus along with UCM but I believe that UCM is the only referral campus now. The amount of applicants applying to college now and the harsh UC budget cuts have basically forced UCR and UCSC (UCSC barely got out if its referral status a few years ago) to become way more selective. The average admitted GPA for UCR was around a 3.74 and for UCSC it was 3.88! I got accepted to UCR in early January(Meaning they really want me and sent me like a scarf and this poster and 54 facts booklet not to brag) but got waitlisted to UCSC with a 3.78. A quick look at UCSC’s Wiki page shows the average admitted GPA was 3.68 in 2013. In short UCRs acceptance rate has gone to around the mid/low 50% range while UCSC is definitely around or lower. UCR is starting to become really selective and is starting to lose its bad reputation. UCRs acceptance rate was around the 80s when this was posted huh? Im also going to attend UCR and am very excited for it, go Highlanders!!!