which college should i really pick?

<p>Ive been looking at different college rankings and statistics and I noticed that there are differences when it comes to the ranking of certain programs. What is more important? My intended major is Pre-Med, and the schools I'm interested in are</p>

<p>Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Duke, Cornell, UF, USNA, UCLA, FIU, UCSF, Johns Hopkins, and Univ of WA in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Is it more beneficial to apply and receive an Ivy League education rather than another college that isn't Ivy League, but has a respected med. program?</p>

<p>For example, let's say my first pick was Princeton. Princeton may be a top notch university in the US as a whole, but another college like J. Hopkins is ranked #2 after Harvard when it comes to medical studies rankings.</p>

<p>I think it depends how confident you are that you want to go to med. school. For example, if you are not certain you want to pursue a med. career, then it might be more worth it to go to an Ivy. However, if you know you want to go to med. school, I would go for John Hopkins and Univ of WA in St.Louis. Either way, you should apply to all the schools on that list and see which ones you get it. Then you can decide.</p>

<p>How in the world is USNA on the list? It’s definitely in the “one of these things is not like the other” category. Unless you’re thinking about ROTC for the other schools listed? </p>

<p>Back on topic, from what I’ve read it’s more important to have good grades and MCATs for med school, so which of them would help you there?</p>

<p>I’m pretty sure UCSF doesn’t have an undergraduate college. That would also put it in “one of these things is not like the others” land.</p>

<p>^^^ Correct. UCSF does not have an undergraduate program.</p>

<p>Is money an issue? If not, there’s nothing wrong with Ivy undergrad. If money is a factor, then consider any scholarship/aid offers from those other schools and your state flagship. If you excel at any top undergrad, you will have no problem getting into a top med school. If you’re definitely going to med school, it will not matter all that much which of those undergrads you attended. They are all excellent.</p>

<p>whoa! Whoa! whoa! Slow down! You’re all over the place with your info.</p>

<p>1) there no such thing as a “pre-med” major. Learn this quick or your naivete will remain apparent
2) If you’ve arrived at your list of potential colleges just based on some magazine’s rankings then you’re very very far from becoming what they are looking for: scholars who will contribute to their community. Ivy interviewer: “So why do you want to come to Cornell” Answer: “Your high ranking and the fact that it’ll look good for my med school application in four years”. Ummm right. C’ya.
3) USNA? Do you want to serve your country as a doctor for the next 12 years? Great. Please pursue what you need to do to get into the USNA. But don’t just put it on your list because of its perceived prestige. It’s one of the country’s training grounds for leading military officers – not a free med school vehicle.
4) Colleges and med schools have little to do with each other. They are separate entities. Yale College and Yale Med school share the same name. But totally admit under their own criteria.</p>

<p>Best of luck to you in getting into UCSF for undergrad. I hear the acceptance rate there is like 0%.</p>

<p>lol, I think the posters above have covered most of what you need to know pretty well.</p>

<p>The most important thing you should focus on right now is getting accepted. Worry about choosing later. Based on how selective the schools you are interested in, you really shouldn’t be picking this early.</p>

<p>what? “pre-med” isn’t a major? O___O why is it on the back of the PSAT and AP booklets…? thanks guys for all your helpful feedback</p>

<p>*btw USNA is on there because just in case I don’t get into any of those colleges up there … I have an ROTC scholarship as a backup plan… that works right?</p>

<p>Can you guys tell me about applying… like is it true I can’t just use the same essay topic for all my applications and copy and paste…?</p>

<p>And are deadlines for accepting applications all different…? Like could Cornell say "Oh your application is due the 15th while Princeton’s is on the 20th?</p>

<p>How early can you start applying?</p>

<p>No, pre-med is a “track”. You have to take certain courses that prepare you for medical school (pre-med requirements), but your major can be whatever you want it to be and it won’t matter (doesn’t even have to be science-related).</p>

<p>You can use whatever essay you want for whatever topic, it doesn’t matter if you use the same essay for multiple schools. I used the same essay for Harvard, Yale, and Princeton’s supplements because I planned it that way.</p>

<p>Deadlines for accepting applications will vary, although I believe most of your listed schools are between late December and mid January except UCLA which is due November 30th (I think) with all the other UCs.</p>

<p>When is the earliest I can apply then? The Nov. of junior year?
Or do you recommend waiting until Senior year?
Also, when I fill out the application is the essay due with it too?</p>

<p>The earliest you can apply is senior year. Early decision is often in October or Nov of senior year. Some schools have regular decision dates of Dec 1, and the rest are around Jan 1. Junior year is the time to begin taking the SAT tests. January of junior year is a good time to take it for the first time. Over spring break of junior year is a good time to visit local schools in your area to get an idea of what kind of school resonates with you - large or small, urban, suburban, rural, the general environment and type of students you see. In May, you will have AP testing for your junior year AP classes. Then, in June you can take the subject tests (right after you finish the class on the particular subject). If you are a glutton for testing, you can also take another regular SAT in June, or you can take the ACT. But, I recommend taking the second SAT in the fall of senior year. The summer between junior and senior year is a good time to review your life and think about how different you are between elementary school and now and think about what experiences made you different. Start compiling essay topics based on these experiences and how they changed you. Outline your essay, begin a rough draft. Also, find something meaningful to do that summer - summer camp counselor, some kind of research assistant (if you are extremely lucky), or even just any kind of summer job. You should also begin compiling a list of schools over the summer since you will have your test scores.</p>

<p>Pardon my ignorance, but what is “Early Decision”? I was looking at Stanford’s application process and it said “Restricted Early Decision”…etc. WHAT… is that ?</p>

<p>Also, when I am picking colleges, people told me to pick a major that makes you “stand out”. They said a possibility could be taking Chem as a major and “women’s studies” as a minor, but on a “Nursing Track”. Is nursing even a major?</p>

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<p>This smacks of “gaming the system.” Don’t bother trying to game the system.</p>

<p>Be yourself in your college applications. If you know what you want to major in (or think you do) then list it on the application (if asked), but don’t arbitrarily pick a major because you somehow think it will make your application somehow stand out. If you don’t know what you want to major in, be honest and say “undecided” or list a couple of things that you actually are interested in and see yourself possibly majoring in.</p>

<p>Early decision: apply by early deadline and get an early answer. It comes with a commitment to go there if accepted. You can apply ED to only one school because you can’t promise to go to 2 or more schools if accepted at them. Applicants do this if they have a clear top choice school and are confident they can pay, and for the perceived admissions boost. (Most colleges deny that it is any easier to get in ED.)</p>

<p>Early action: similar idea, but not obligated to attended if accepted. Might do more than one, but many schools have “SCEA”-- single choice early action. That means you promise not to apply to any more early admissions programs, but you can apply to other schools regular decision-- even if you are accepted in your SCEA school.</p>

<p>Picking a major to stand out-- I wouldn’t do it. First, I think intended major has negligible impact on admissions. “Undecided” is fine. Schools want students with a variety of interests, but your high-school course choices and extra-curriculars (what you do) are more reliable indicators than a statement of intended major (what you might do). And you could look pretty dumb if the school doesn’t have the major or if you are unconvincing when asked about it in an interview. [Nursing is a major, but not one available at many schools and a poor choice if you don’t actually want to be a nurse. I recall seeing a list of majors for med school applicants, and nursing majors did not do well.]</p>

<p>Since you seem pretty new to this college search/ application stuff, I want to be sure you are aware that the schools you are looking at require SAT subject tests. Think about what subjects and when you will take the tests. Many schools require one math/ science and one or more other.</p>

<p>Look at the schools web sites. You will find admissions requirements and statistics and the rules for early decision or early action at that school. You will also find information about majors and pre-med advising. It probably also would be worth your while to get a good book about the college search and admissions process.</p>

<p>Consider going to a less elite and less pricey undergraduate school. Go to a school where you can do a great job, stand out, and get a strong recommendation. And have some money left for med school. </p>

<p>BTW, University of Washington is a public school in Seattle. Washington University in St. Louis (WUSTL) is private and has no “of” in its name.</p>

<p>mom58, you are my hero… :D</p>

<p>Yes, I did know about the SAT 2 exams and I took one for World History since the colleges I looked at said “any test” so I took it because it was easier (curbed grading).</p>

<p>So what does this mean? If you say nursing isn’t a good subject to major in, what would be? I’m trying to major in “Pre-med” but people say graduate med. schools want majors to “stand out” so they want people to stay away from bio because its… common? Like I was thinking my “track” could be pre-med but as pre-med i took nursing as my major (or chemistry) and then foods and nutrition as my minor (or chemistry), since they all have to do with science/medicine anyway. Is this right? Or am I expected to go way off and major in Art History for my pre-med… :o</p>

<p>also, what is restricted early admission? is that a school where you can’t apply for the early admission? (i.e. Stanford)?</p>

<p>I looked at Princeton and they don’t give out B.S. , just A.B…?
Why? Will that negatively impact me later on?</p>

<p>Also, I did notice that not many schools offer nursing as a major… but I did come up with some of these good schools:</p>

<p>DREAM
UPenn (Ivy League)</p>

<p>(and if accepted @ Cornell, will major in Nutrition)</p>

<p>Reality
UF
FIU
UCLA</p>

<p>Straight into a Pre-Med Major?!</p>

<p>Washington University in St. Louis</p>

<p>^^they don’t seem to have a nursing major…</p>

<p>*but if i get accepted into a prestigious school w/ no nursing major, should I just take something else as my major… for example, Chemistry? and what is bachelor of arts in chem mean vs. bachelor of science in chem?</p>

<p>You don’t need to worry about medical studies rankings at this point, because you won’t be studying medicine yet (despite you saying your intended major is pre-med. Pick something else, because pre-medical studies isn’t a major at the vast majority of universities in the U.S., it’s a concentration or preparation track).</p>

<p>For medical education, the most important components of your application will be your GPA, your MCAT scores, and any research or clinical medical experiences you may have prior to admission into medical school - like a summer REU. You could always go to UF and do a summer medical experience at Yale or Johns Hopkins, and in fact, I had several friends from college who did just that and successfully got into top medical schools.</p>

<p>Also, while I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad idea to have Annapolis on the list (I considered the Naval Academy along with civilian schools, although I ultimately decided not to apply)…do be aware that you incur a service obligation if you go that route and that you may not be released to attend medical school directly after graduation. Getting an educational delay for your contractually obligated service in order to attend medical school is a competitive process and not everyone gets selected. If you don’t mind the idea of possibly having to serve 4-5 years on active duty before going to medical school as an unrestricted officer, then by all means go that route.</p>

<p>An ROTC scholarship is a terrible back-up plan. First of all, it’s not much of a back-up, because they’re competitive! That’s like saying if you don’t get into Harvard, Duke is your back-up plan. Second of all, the USNA is not the same as an ROTC scholarship. They’re completely different. NROTC midshipman live a normal college student life most of the time but do drills and PT two days out of the week and summer cruises. USNA midshipmen live the military lifestyle every day.</p>

<p>You should major in what you want to major in. I have had lots of biology major friends aim for medical school, but I also had a lot of psychology major friends, a couple of friends in economics, and one in philosophy who ended up going to medical school. That’s the beauty of medicine - you don’t NEED any specific major to apply to medical school, just a sequence of courses, and in the end another major may help you understand medical practice in a way that biology or chemistry majors cannot. Practicing medicine isn’t all about the body systems; it’s also about interacting with your patients and their families (psychology and sociology are good for that), and understanding trends in medical and health economics and policy (economics, business-management).</p>

<p>Any variety of majors can be great - but don’t discount biology simply because you want to “stand out.” Medical schools are tired of bio because it’s common, but it’s common because a lot of people pick it as the <em>default</em> major because they think they have to or that it will raise their chances somehow. If you really love biology - maybe do research in it, do a summer research program, write a paper for it, etc - your passion will shine through. But you don’t have to major in a science program; you can major in art history if you really want to. I’ve read a similar list to the one mentioned by a previous poster and noticed that engineering majors seem to do really well in medical school admissions.</p>

<p>Also, a nursing major - well, I think I have mixed feelings about it. My mother’s a nurse and my sister is a nursing major at a university. On the one hand, nursing programs prepare you for nursing, which is in the same general field as being a physician but quite different from it. On the other hand, a nursing major can be excellent preparation for medical school, particularly the clinicals and the programs which will be kind of like medical school classes lite (like pharmacology, for example). I also think that the experience of being a nurse could really help doctors. IME (and I admit I’m biased - there are a lot of nurses in my family) nurses have a much better bedside manner than doctors, and you really learn to interact with your patients and have a better understanding of the circumstances that influence their health. You may then take these experiences into your medical education.</p>

<p>Also, a nursing major opens up your possibilities in allied health - instead of becoming a physician, you may instead decide to remain a nurse, become a research nurse, become a nurse practitioner (which perform many of the same duties as a family practitioner), become a physician’s assistant, become an occupational or physical therapist, even become a hospital administrator or a health care consultant…the options within medicine and allied health are very great, and it kind of pains me to realize that so many potential college students go into it with this very narrow-minded view of being a physician, railroading themselves through pre-med courses and medical school, and that colleges don’t make the effort to expand the career opportunities in health care that college students have. A nursing major is excellent preparation for any of those careers (in fact, at least half of PAs are nurses before they become PAs, because you’re required to have some kind of clinical experience before entering the program).</p>

<p>juillet… when you went to college, how did you know what major to take? which course “called” you… because right now i really don’t have a certain passion that makes it oh-so-easy for me to pick a college major… so should i just think about my major when I get into the college I want? </p>

<p>did you go to UF? because a lot of people i know who are pursuing a career in medicine go there and I really love how florida has that bright futures scholarship.</p>

<p>also, the way you described the nursing major… really made me want to take nursing… like it has a lot of benefits and opens up a lot of opportunities… so why not right?</p>

<p>ok, so to narrow down the schools i plan to attend to 4-5 (a good number?) should i cut it by what majors they offer? let’s say i attended yale, and they don’t have nursing as a major… i think i could “discover” a good major to take and stick with it for four years… but now the problem is … can i afford it? are there student loans available/ like do you have to pay your tuition up front… is it even possible to get a scholarship at an ivy…</p>

<p>because if nursing is the course… then U Penn, UCLA, and UF would be good schools…?</p>