<p>I have applied for the NROTC application, of course, if I don't get it, I still plan on joining the program.</p>
<p>I have narrowed my list down to two choices: Norwich University, and Embry Riddle Aeronautical University.</p>
<p>I would like to fly for the Navy</p>
<p>Which is my best choice? It is hard for me to make a clear-cut decision because I know that Embry Riddle is one of the countries leading aviation universities, but Norwich is a well known university for its militaristic involvement. My major that I have applied for (and been accepted) is Aeronautical Engineering for Embry Riddle, and Electrical and Computer Engineering for Norwich University.</p>
<p>In the responses, please ignore finances, I am simply wondering which is the better choice for me to be most prepared to fly for the Navy: leadership, knowledge, and which university has a higher chance of getting me there.</p>
<p>Also, I am taking into consideration which college I can learn more from besides military behaviors and style, for example, which one has better engineering programs that can help me after the Navy, or in the Navy more.</p>
<p>Either school will get you to the same place.</p>
<p>Go to the one you feel most comfortable at, and where you see yourself fitting in both now, and in your carreer both IN and in the years BEYOND the Navy. Do your best, and the rest will work out.</p>
<p>Call both units and ask what percentages of grads at each request aviation and what percentage are selected. You will probably find that the selection percentage is roughly the same but a lot more at Emory Riddle want aviation. Therefore, your performance requirements there will be greater. Neither will make you a better pilot. However, I would guess that Norwich would give you more opportunities to become a better officer. Depending on the results of your phone call as I anticipate, therefore, my vote is for Norwich.</p>
<p>just remember that a sna spot is not guaranteed to anyone…if the navy picks up your tuition bill, then isnt it fair that they tell you how to serve. you’re signing up to be a naval officer 1st, and an aviator (or other designator) 2nd…now that being said, it usually works out so you get what you want, but be prepared to serve your country in whatever capacity the navy tells you to</p>
<p>If it is that close a call between the two schools, then it comes down to this fact: Embry is in Daytona Beach. Lived there for 5 years. Fabulous for a single guy.</p>
<p>ER-Daytona and Norwich were both on our son’s short list of schools he applied to and received admission to both, Aero at ER and Mechanical at Norwich. Our son is also considering whether he wants to fly. Each school has its pluses and minuses as far as your future Naval career. But, Daytona in the winter will be sunny and warm. Norwich . . . . . Brrrrrrrrrrr.</p>
<p>First of all, the NAVY will teach you how to fly even if the closest you’ve ever come to an airplane is Google Images.</p>
<p>People enter Navy flight school with all kinds of aviation backgrounds.</p>
<p>I was a Navy pilot (many moons ago). I recall that those who came in with a private pilot’s license got off to a good start but, after a dozen flights or so, most people catch up and natural aptitudes start taking over.</p>
<p>I majored in Aerospace Engineering at the Naval Academy but that doesn’t mean that an individual who majored in Animal Husbandry from Podunk University couldn’t fly better than me. You either can or you can’t and where you go to school isn’t going to be the determining factor.</p>
<p>What you should be MORE concerned with (and I can’t answer this), is how easy it is to even get SELECTED for Naval Aviation from commissioning sources OTHER than the Naval Academy. Maybe a Blue & Gold Officer has data on that.</p>
<p>I currently have sons at the Naval Academy and they tell me that Navy Air is one of the more competitive service selections. That wasn’t the case in my day. If you were physically qualified and wanted to go Navy Air … you could. Not any more!</p>
<p>Corrective eye surgery has changed the playing field along with more stringently invoked quotas for other service selections … i.e. subs and NFO. In my day, the NFO’s were the guys who WANTED to fly but couldn’t because they didn’t have 20/20 uncorrected vision.</p>
<p>Nowadays, the NFOs are mostly the midshipmen who drew the short straw for service selection for one reason or another.</p>
Agree completely. The less civilian time a student has, the fewer bad habits there are to overcome. The more the civilian time, the harder those habits are to break.</p>
<p>S1 commissioned last May (NROTC). From his class, two went Subs, one or two went Aviation (pilot), three or four went SWO and a two went SpecOps. No one chose NFO.</p>
<p>You say no one chose NFO. That can only mean that there was no quota for NFO’s. Because, if there were, whether anybody chose it or not, SOMEBODY would have been an NFO - I can assure you that.</p>
<p>Quotas are invoked quite regularly at service selection time at the Naval Academy. It has been trending in that direction steadily over the years. The phrase “needs of the Navy” is being bantered about much more than it was in my day.</p>
<p>Words like “voluntold” have arisen. Some have jokingly referred to it as “Service ASSIGNMENT”, not Service SELECTION.</p>
<p>^^Yes, one of the two that went subs really wanted to but the other one did not. He was prior enlisted with sub experience so was “highly encouraged” to go back to subs.</p>
<p>Did the individual with sub experience, who did not want to go subs, voluntarily change his preference because he was “highly encouraged” to do so?</p>
<p>I assume you put that in quotes because it is a euphemism for “not getting what you want no matter what your choices are.”</p>
<p>Listen, I understand that we are a country at war. I also understand that the needs of the service come before the desires of its members. But the Naval Academy used to be a special place that came with certain rewards/perks for weathering their rigorous curriculum. NROTC is a great program but it is nowhere near the challenge of the Naval Academy.</p>
<p>Yet, it seems service selection for the Naval Academy midshipmen is really no different than service selection for their NROTC counterparts.</p>
<p>It’s lost some of its luster over the years.</p>
Submarines and aviation have always been voluntary. There is a difference between “highly encouraged” and “forced”. One is permissible within reason and certain parameters, the other is not. I would also question whether applying leverage is acceptable.</p>
<p>There were more than a few mids last year who were given their fourth or fifth choice of subs. The lesson is that if you do not want a service community, do not list it as a community that you would accept.</p>
<p>I know that at several nrotc units (not sure if its universal) that all male mids were forced to list subs in their top 3 for service selection, then some were selected to go interview because they put it so high when they were really forced to…backdoor nuke draft?</p>
<p>Generally, mombee shares the “letter” and spirit of the submarine “law.” And it makes sense. There are unique requirements for submariners that not all, even many may be suitable for serving in their light. It’d not be good learning one is claustrophobic @ 1,500 out and a mile or so down. :eek:</p>
<p>Still, does that mean some enthusiastic ROTC domos might not take some license? Ask any …make that ANY USN recruiter about the bending and breaking of so-called procedures and policies. Even “rules!” There’s pressure both ON those subs and to ‘encourage’ others to walk ON those subs. Rules aren’t necessarily reality.</p>
<p>You DON’T THINK mids are being forced to subs? I have PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE to the contrary.</p>
<p>Let’s eliminate the semantical argument. If you indicate on your service selection sheet that subs are a choice, even if your fifth choice, then, technically, you are not being “forced” to take subs. It was on your sheet and the “needs of the navy” dictate that you be GIVEN your fifth rather than your first choice. The lesson is: Do not indicate in any fashion that subs would be acceptable to you and you will most likely not be “forced” to accept a subs assignment.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, despite you wanting to fly all of your life; despite you being an Aeronautics [Aerosomthing or the other] engineer; despite your relatively good standing in the classs [or maybe because of it]; despite your being in the midst of IFS [Independent Flight School]; despite your beng qualified physically, mentally, and grade-wise for aviation; despite your pleas up the chain of command to avoid the sub service; despite all your efforts to avoid going to subs, you may find yourself–about eight months after graduation–in the midst of Nuke School learning how to become a submariner. I have PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of this circumstance.</p>
<p>The tides ebb and flow, but be forewarned, you can be “forced” to become a submariner.
I have seen it happen.</p>
<p>You will then join those who “five and dive” and plan to become a nuclear engineer at a local power plant.</p>