@veehee - i was clearly focusing on kids going Out of State to find what they want. (Because it didn’t exist In State)
The state is New York.
The city is Manhattan.
The target is a Big school in a big sports league with fraternities / good acedemics close to NYC.
Does not exist in New York State.
Jersey has it with Rutgers.
Otherwise the kid needs to change his criteria for fit and be too far to regularly take advantage of NYC. There are other cities in other parts of the country that are not void of big college sport league / big school / Greek / good academic schools.
West Virginia received more college students than it sends out because:
Extremely reasonable tuition. Our OOS costs are less than some border states’ in-state costs. One reason why West Virginia University is known as The University of Southern Pennsylvania.
WVU’s “party school” status. A lot of students what that and they can get it here for a lot less then anywhere else.
Our very high acceptance rates. Unfortunately, a lot of students come here, especially to WVU, because they can’t cut it at their own state schools. We desperately need the money here, so we welcome them. Win-win.
West Virginia only sent 370 students OOS because:
A lot of kids still don’t go to college here. Education is not valued, especially in blue-collar families who have a history of making an ungodly amount of money for unskilled labor.
2.Those who do go to college often live at home and commute, and their parents expect and encourage this. West Virginia is extremely family-oriented and clings very tightly to its children. We have many small former teacher’s colleges throughout the state which makes this easy.
Our PROMISE Scholarship program, which is open to all WV students with a 3.0 and a 21 ACT. It pays $4,750 per year, which goes a long way when tuition is less than $7,000 a year. It was one reason my S1 stayed in state. It’s currently in danger of being discontinued due to budget cuts … but that’s another post.
Money. This really is one of the poorest states in the Union and very few families can afford OOS tuition without a lot of help.
As for our in-state graduates, well, my S1 graduated in 2014 from a state university (Not WVU), got a job related to his major right away, is still working there and is doing quite well, which is pretty much what everyone wants for their kids.
PS - That 370 number sounds low to me - maybe because I live in a relatively prosperous area with high college attendance. S1’s alma mater actually sends a kid to Ivy League every two or three years. OTOH,there are probably high schools here who send students OOS maybe once in a decade, and usually for sports.
@mamaedefamilia thanks for your further clarification. Five hours isn’t too painful a drive to Happy Valley, which is why Penn State got quite a few of my D’s graduating class last year.
@NCMOM24 seriously, there NEEDS to be some way the OOS enrollment cap can increase to at least 25-30%. Who should be contacted? Is it something the governor has a hold on? Surely they realize that increasing the cap would see them bring in more money and raise the profiles of the schools as well?
The OOS caps are tough, but if you factor in transfer students the numbers are higher (25%). My daughter is in CH and it took her some time to get used to it. She loves it now and has friends from all over the country and several from outside the US. And of course some of her closest friends are from NC.
@twogirls Idk exactly what transfer numbers exist out there for W, but that’s probably an accurate estimate. Same situation for me, lots of friends from all over (obviously including NC). And to think if a certain shot bounced a certain way, I would never have even known these people existed!
@LBad96 Can you please stop being rude about individual schools. You are a senior member… CC is where people give out feedback and or ideas without BASHING other schools. From your post that says “Too bad Rutgers being in a big times sports conference is a waste of a spot anyway,” it looks like that you are bashing Rutgers. Sure, the campus is not the prettiest in your opinion and sure, its sports program is ok, but it does’t mean that you downgrade it, when in fact, it is a tier 1 public research university. It has awesome connections to many professions.
There are many people on CC looking for colleges, and when they look at your post, they will avoid Rutgers, when in fact, its a top 50 public institution with decent tuition.
It’s important to remember that a school that one student does not want to attend might be a school that another one strives to attend. There is no one size fits all and attending school x over school y does not guarantee success. It is up to the student to succeed by taking full advantage of what his/her school has to offer.
I don’t think @LBad96 is intentionally bashing Rutgers. I think he is simply a kid who desperately wanted to get out of NJ, who found a school he clearly loves, and whose parents allowed him to attend.
As @ClarinetDad16 pointed out, there is no school in the NY area that checks all of the boxes that Rutgers has. That’s why some kids leave SUNY.
acron611, I think it has been stated throughout this thread by LBad96 and others that Rutgers provides a respectable education and some of its less desirable qualities have simply been described as reasons that NJ has one of the highest rates in the nation for students attending OOS schools. And while it may offer some respectable opportunities, “decent tuition” is certainly not one of its selling points. In fact, NJ, with Rutgers chief among its public universities, ranks in the top four states in the country with the most expensive state universities behind only PA, VT, and NH. Along with NJIT and TCNJ, Rutgers is ranked among the most expensive public universities in America. (http://www.nj.com/education/2015/07/3_nj_public_colleges_rank_among_americas_costliest.html )
Many posts on this thread have simply supported the article cited by the OP by stating the reasons that there may be better values beyond the state’s borders.
How are we supposed to interpret post #93 if not bashing
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Combining the two states, Rutgers and TCNJ would probably be right after App State in tier 2...<<
App State offers one doctoral degree - in educational leadership
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It almost looks like Lbad96 is trying to justify his college choice by dedicating half of his posts to anti-NJ propaganda.
We, proud NJ citizen, are not amused.
Im not saying NJ public universities have a problem. I am just disappointed that one person spent 50% of their posts saying NJ schools are bad. This thread was about all the states, not just not abouty NJ. I know all of my friends go to NJ schools and they love it. College is what you make of it (sorry for the overused statement) and offer the cheapest tuition for most NJ Students who don’t want to go far.
UNH has great OOS merit aid from what I understand. They also have a small pool of in-state students, thus they can discount tuition to keep seats filled…
Sorry you all misinterpreted it so wildly. Zero anti-NJ vendetta here, if anything I would have a vendetta against the state of MA (I don’t). NJ is my home state, I may not exactly have enjoyed growing up there but that was more the people I was around than anything. All my favorite sports teams are in that area so it can’t be THAT bad
@acron611 yeah, you were harsh lol. It’s all good, though. No worries.
@Tanbiko amount of graduate degrees is irrelevant considering I have been referring to academic quality at the undergraduate level for this entire time.
We would all say the likes of Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are better than Rutgers if you compared them side-by-side, yes? (I personally don’t really compare them because research/regional Us have a different purpose than small private LACs.)
It’s easy to see that UNCW is the third-best NC public (though a tier lower than NCSU and two below Chapel Hill) even though the likes of UNC Charlotte, UNC Greensboro, and ECU all offer more doctoral degrees!
