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<p>@Snorlaz</p>

<p>I see your point. I think we agree more than we disagree on the matter, so I think there isn’t much more to be discussed. One last thing, though: I don’t think other applicants are a part of this <em>institutionalized racism.</em> Rather, it’s society itself and many of the institutions in it, such as the courts, police departments, public schools and the elementary, middle, and high school level, and the like. Actually, the University of California is doing everything in its power to get more minority students. In fact, I bet they’re circumventing prop 209 anyway they can, especially UCLA.</p>

<p>@repo11</p>

<p>lol, the “black community” argument is somewhat oversimplifying. You have to ask yourself <em>why</em> this attitude in the black community exists. Is it because blacks are<em>inherently</em> disdainful of education? I don’t think so. It’s connected to poverty and the effect it has on them.</p>

<p>Look, repo11. I’m black. Let’s get that fact out of the way. I live in a predominantly black neighborhood. It’s a pretty poor neighborhood. I made a lot of friends there and am still friends with them to this day, but they’ve always made fun of me(In a lighthearted manner. It was never malicious) because I don’t talk like a typical black person. I never spoke in ebonics and always did well in school(Well, in understanding concepts taught in school, anyway. I always did well in standardized testing but not in my classes because I was lazy). The reason they and other black people like them don’t especially value school much(I’d say they value it more than some poor black folks. They’ve graduated from high school and go to college just as I do) is that it doesn’t immediately rectify their impoverished situation. This is why drug dealing and usage disproportionately affect minority communities. It’s seen as a form of escapism and is thought to immediately mitigate the harsh conditions in which they live.</p>

<p>In regards to your claims about lots of poor Asian students getting accepted to UCLA, I’d say that that is probably not true since the average Asian family makes more money than the average White family according to this U.S. Census Bureau document from 2008-2009, page 9: <a href=“http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p20-560.pdf[/url]”>http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p20-560.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>If you took a random sample of Asian students going to UCLA, I’d bet you $100 that most of them come from affluent or near-affluent backgrounds. Poverty makes it much more difficult to succeed in life no matter what the color of your skin is. Now, if you can provide me empirical data from UCLA or elsewhere that shows that there’s a significant number of poor Asian students who go to school with GPAs comparable to whites and wealthier people, I’ll happily shut up and not post in this thread again. But I suspect that you won’t be able to do that.</p>

<p>Also, don’t misconstrue my argument. I never said that black people can’t get in to good schools without assistance from the government. In fact, I never even predicated my argument in favor of race, but in favor of socioeconomic class. There’s a difference.</p>

<p>It’s been proven that poverty increases your chances of going to prison, dying earlier, dropping out of school, doing drugs, decreases your chances of going to college and getting good grades in high school. Don’t you think it’s unfair to hold poorer students to an unfair standard? I don’t think so.</p>

<p>And just in case you think I have some sort of vested interest in supporting Affirmative Action, I’m just going to let you know right now that I have a 3.85 community college GPA and am a member of my school’s honors program. For the first year of college, I had a GPA of 4.0. I personally don’t need AA to get in to my dream school(UCLA). Thankfully, I’m somewhat shielded by the forces of poverty, despite living in it, but it has still affected me, just to a smaller degree. I’m not going to accuse you of being a racist simply because I have no reason to believe you are. I just happen to disagree with your position on the issue. It just doesn’t seem defensible to attribute such a massive and significant problem to something as weak(By comparison, anyway) as the opinions of some people who are members of your race/culture. Opinions don’t stop people from succeeding. Powerful societal forces and economic conditions do.</p>

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<p>@cayton ‘haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love, and i don’t even want none of the above…’</p>

<p>@snorlaz and @repo11</p>

<p>The reason that I linked the video is that I don’t want to sugarcoat the experience the UC experience. The video was done out of the frustration that currently exist in the black community regarding the UC system. If you read the article on the daily bruin, you will see that there is already a prevalent thought that black people dont belong a certain UC’s and they are way over their heads academically. </p>

<p>While I agree that there is many hispanic and black students at UCLA, as a South Campus major I can tell you that there is definitely less people of color is certain majors. </p>

<p>Let me give you an example, I recently took a Economics 106T (economics of technology) that dealt with TEch starup. very interesting class, you had very important people come to speak (CEO of PACSUN, executives of ATT, Ebay, and Venture Capitalist that has invested in SnapChat). It wasn’t until the 3rd week of school that I noticed that there were no African Americans in this class. why is it that there wasn’t any enrolled in this class?? I mean people of all races use: facebook, snapchat, youtube, google, netflix, ext. so wouldn’t people from all races be interested how Venture Capitalist work??? then i noticed that I myself took this class by serendipity, I only took it because it was best to fit my schedule.</p>

<p>Now I don’t 100% agree with the video,however I think they bring up a valid point. Why is there few african americans at UCLA and why aren’t any of the interested in taking Economics 106T?</p>

<p>However I do believe that African Americans and Native Americans deserve to be part of Affirmative Actions</p>

<p>1) African American have been marginalized for centuries, look at Slavery
2) Native Americans have been robbed of their homeland.</p>

<p>I also believe that the UC’s should not be reserved for rich people, this is why I advocate for transfer student (regardless of race). I think that Community college offers a second chance for many people, something that I benefited from.</p>

<p>ps. Yes it was very douchy of Dre and Jimmy Iovine to donate money to U$C, as a Bruin I will never buy Beats headphones.</p>

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<p>regarding Asians at UCLA, </p>

<p>There are many forms of Asians, such as Southeast Asian (vietnam, malaysia), The Indian Peninsula (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan), Middle East (Persian, Iraqi), phillipines, Chinese, Korean, etc…</p>

<p>A good proportion of Asian students are international students, and the UC admits that they prefer international students because they pay higher tuition. UC’s is not even ashamed in admitting it. [UCLA</a> continues to be a top choice for international students / UCLA Newsroom](<a href=“http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-continues-to-be-a-top-choice-249316.aspx]UCLA”>UCLA continues to be a top choice for international students | UCLA)</p>

<p>I don’t want to put down my school since all schools are following the lucrative trend. So it is obvious that California tax-paying residents are now being discriminated because we pay such low tuition.</p>

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<p>“Why is there few african americans at UCLA and why aren’t any of the interested in taking Economics 106T?”</p>

<p>UCLA is: 3.8% African-American, 34.8% Asian, 18% Hispanic, 27.8% caucasian. </p>

<p>California is 6.6% African-American, 13.9% Asian, 38.2% Hispanic, 73.7% caucasian. </p>

<p>It honestly isn’t as outrageous as people are making it out to be. As for why there aren’t many African-American students interested in ECON 106T, I have no idea. Why is Engineering primarily comprised of males? I’d assume this is due to self selection for the most part.</p>

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<p>Well, I tried going back further than 2007 to see what the average income for Asians was, but apparently the Census Bureau did not collect income statistics for Asians until 2002. That brings up an interesting question about underrepresentation. How can the government fully understand the socio-economic situation of a certain ethnic group if they don’t even collect their statistical information? Anyways, what I wanted to say is that the statistics of the Asian population you showed is a current example of how three decades of educational achievement and determination has improved the economic status of Asians in this country. Unfortunately, I have no way of proving to you that the majority of Asians in Southern California did not prosper prior to the 1980s. Take the Vietnamese immigrants that settled in Orange County, for example. Most of these people were refugees who arrived with very little money, and they managed to greatly improve their situation because education was emphasized in the home. </p>

<p>@Cayton, I would argue that the example you gave of your friends making fun of you for being intelligent is a cultural problem, not an economic one. I understand that my arguments have been pretty broad, and I had no intentions of over simplifying the socio-economic problems facing minorities in this country. The truth is, no outside group is going to care enough about blacks to improve the economic situation; it’s going to have to be up to the people in those communities to do it. The Democrats claim to be the voice for all minorities, but what have they ever really done. They show enough concern to get the votes and then they walk away. I’m not saying outside groups don’t care about minorities, it’s just that it’s difficult for people to be committed to a group that is not their own. This is a problem that has to be fixed from the inside out, and placing all of the blame on a discriminatory system will never help it. I will reiterate my points about AA by adding that you will never see true equality until AA is eliminated. </p>

<p>“It just doesn’t seem defensible to attribute such a massive and significant problem to something as weak(By comparison, anyway) as the opinions of some people who are members of your race/culture.” </p>

<p>I don’t remember ever telling you what my race or culture is. Think you might be profiling me there? Just something to think about.</p>

<p>@Dagoberto, I agree that it is unfair for people to think that black people enrolled at UCs are unqualified. However, under the guidelines of AA, a much larger number would think this is the case because even the ones who got accepted based on academic achievements would be looked at as inferior. I think this kind of system may increase the number of black students that attend, but it would be seriously detrimental to the image other ethnic groups have towards black students. This is not just my opinion, this actually occurred thirty years ago, and was one of the reasons why AA was eliminated. As far as the lack of lack students interested in economics, again, this is a cultural problem. There’s nothing the UC system can do about this. If you really want to do something, get involved in the schools that are in predominantly black neighborhoods and try to establish an economics program that teaches kids responsible financial lessons. Be a part of the solution, unlike Dr. Dre. </p>

<p>@Snorlaz, that’s a very good point, the population of minorities at UCLA is almost comparable to the population in California. Another thing they rarely mention is that there really isn’t a high number of black transfer students that apply to the school.</p>

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<p>@repo11</p>

<p>I didn’t mean to profile you or claim you were black. You misunderstood me. Sorry if I may have contributed to that.</p>

<p>Anyway, I know the Democrats haven’t been as strong on public welfare as their stated ideals would lead one to believe, but they do try(Well, 1/4 to 1/2 of them do, lol). In regards to your assertion that blacks will have to pull themselves out of poverty, I just don’t know how that can be done. There’s no historical precedent for any impoverished group in a larger and more affluent society rising to coequal status all by themselves. Let’s face it, minorities need help.</p>

<p>But as weak-willed as Democrats have been in the past 10-30 years, I think that they or some other left-wing party(Because let’s face it, right-wingers are not too concerned about the plight of the poor) will succeed in blacks and other minorities to coequal status. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, but that’s just what I believe.</p>

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<p>Yes, I think you’re being too optimistic. My comment on Democrats was intended to emphasize that they care just as little as Republicans do about the poor or minorities. Where they have benefited most in the last hundred years is they falsely claim to care and seduce the weak minded (not that you’re weak minded). If you look at which party has done more for minorities, you’ll see that it was the Republicans that have had a greater impact. Republicans ended slavery, and if it weren’t for the Republicans, LBJ would have never been able to pass the Economic Opportunity Act because his party was filled with racist Dixiecrats like former kkk member Robert Byrd.</p>

<p>I should say that I don’t really support one party over the other; they’re both full of bs. </p>

<p>“There’s no historical precedent for any impoverished group in a larger and more affluent society rising to coequal status all by themselves. Let’s face it, minorities need help.”</p>

<p>This isn’t true at all. Almost every European group came to this country and was prejudiced against. The Irish, Poles, Italians, and especially the Jews almost all came to this country poor and faced discrimination, and they were able to improve their situation. It wasn’t government social engineering that improved their situations, it was determination. Again, I know these examples aren’t the same as the ones facing black Americans, but I think they’re pretty similar.</p>

<p>I was only kidding about the profiling thing. I thought you were implying that I’m white based on my comments.</p>

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<p>The Republican Party may have been more noble 50~150 years ago, when it wasn’t replete with racists. But ever since the 1960s, a huge influx of Southern Democrats have made the party a lot more hostile to blacks and minorities in general. There’s a reason that the term “conservative democrat” is a rarely used one in this day and age, and there’s a reason the Southern United States, a region once dominated by Democrats, almost exclusively votes Republican now. But that’s a discussion for another day. In essence, I’m not arguing that Democrats are perfect and that the Republicans have always been evil scumbags. Rather, I contend that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils and that since the 1930s(When Franklin Roosevelt came to power), they’ve done more to improve the economic conditions of the poor and minorities than the Republicans have in the form of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, overtime pay, unemployment insurance, reduction of lead in urban settings(Lead congestion decreases IQ and is shown to make it harder to do well in school), and so on. There’s a reason that modern Republican politicians don’t boast about their accomplishments in mitigating poverty in America. It’s because they have few to speak of.</p>

<p>In regards to Europeans coming to this country and being discriminated against, that is a valid point. But it can’t be said that they suffered to the same degree in relation to others as minorities do today, especially since they lived in a time when robust progressive movements led the fight against 18 hour work days, 6 day a week work schedules, child labor, awful wages, monopolization, lack of a minimum wage, and so on. These progressive reformers pressured the government to step in and outlaw or regulate these business practices. It’s simply wrong to say that government wasn’t involved in the social and economic uplift of these groups back then.</p>

<p>The reason we even have a middle class today is that government intervention forced businesses to share the fruits of the industrial revolution with their workers. If only there were such a robust progressive movement today, and no, Occupy Wall Street doesn’t count, lol</p>

<p>The flaw in your argument is that you assume that Blacks and other minorities can overcome the forces of poverty and institutional racism by just being determined. If it were that easy, they would have done it already. No one likes being poor. The fact of the matter is that most nonwhites in this country are born at a distinct disadvantage. Being “determined” doesn’t remedy crappy public schools in the inner city or a dearth of jobs. Being “determined” doesn’t stop the police from arresting minorities at a ridiculously high rate compared to their white peers. Being “determined” doesn’t make up for the lack of educational resources that are available to students attending schools near more affluent neighborhoods and who are most likely from affluent families.</p>

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<p>@repo11, “I should say that I don’t really support one party over the other; they’re both full of bs.” </p>

<p>I couldn’t agree more. </p>

<p>@Cayton, “The flaw in your argument is that you assume that Blacks and other minorities can overcome the forces of poverty and institutional racism by just being determined.” </p>

<p>Agreed. Our economy is down the TTT. Capitalism has created insane social stratification in the USofA. We need to end the war on drugs which is responsible for locking most minorities up. We should strive to fund all public schools on an equal level. </p>

<p>“The reason we even have a middle class today is that government intervention forced businesses to share the fruits of the industrial revolution with their workers.”
IMO, the Industrial revolution increased social stratification because for the first time ever, you had a few people at the top, and everyone else at the bottom. People went from farming and whatnot to having bosses telling them what they need to do. Honestly, education became a platform for teaching kids how to handle working at places such as factories. Education needs to catch up with 2013.</p>

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<p>@Snorlaz</p>

<p>Couldn’t agree with you more.</p>

<p>Well, let’s change things for the better after getting into good UC schools, lol</p>