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It doesn’t matter how illogical it is for him to assume that voter fraud did not occur in the last presidential election to some extent (but he’ll happily reference the 2004 elections, no question).</p>
<p>None of that matters. He’s not interested in science or logic. Just his religion of socialism. Noticed how riled up he got from that ONE statement? Priceless.</p>
<p>Any person of the tea party as president would be the death of this country. That being said, I think it’s important that we have a party like that in existence because if there is one thing those loudmouths do fabulously, it’s keep Congress and Obama in check. And keep the rest of the population aware. There have been entirely too many times in history where people have blindly voted for their party, but I feel like all this dissension is forcing people to really consider their views.</p>
<p>^ Screaming nonsense doesn’t make people aware of anything except the fact that you’re stupid. It’s like saying that by going around campaigning about my school principal being [insert hyperbolic adjectives X, Y and Z], I’ll be keeping my school administration in check. I don’t disagree with your argument that dissension forces people to consider their views a little more critically, but the Tea Party is too extreme.</p>
<p>1) I don’t care about how good/bad Obama is, he’s a relief from Bush’s administration, and he’s a much better choice than McCain/Palin. Having HER only a (very old) heartbeat away from the presidency gives me the chills.</p>
<p>2) If the Tea Party gained office I would probably move to either Canada or Europe. I love America, but no. Just no.</p>
<p>As a foreigner I do not understand how anyone can possibly believe Obama is worse than the Tea Party or the GOP. Calling him a socialist, a Muslim, and saying he wrecked the economy are all plainly false. </p>
<p>Anyone representing the left in America is barely left wing. Never, in the history of politics in your country, has a democrat turned the US into a welfare state. I can’t believe two things: firstly, that people would think otherwise; and secondly that this would be a bad thing. Maybe the idiots would get new teeth and a better education!</p>
<p>I never understood why being a Muslim is seen as an insult. They are not all violent! If anyone actually read S. Huntington’s “The Clash of the Civilizations”, they might discern the gaping holes in this hypothesis. The mantra (championed by Huntington and earlier by Montesquieu) that Islam is a “religion of the sword” is grossly overstated, taken from examples of an extreme nature. If you saw a drunk man in London, you wouldn’t assume all British a drunkards. Islamic militancy is a reaction to a domestic problem, not the result of an incompatibility between ‘East’ and ‘West’. </p>
<p>The idea that Obama has wrecked the US economy is plainly ridiculous. Two years is not enough time! And inheriting 10 trillion dollars worth of debt would make anyone’s life difficult.</p>
<p>And so ends my rant. I’m not a religious man, but god I hope that neither the Tea Party nor the Republicans get into power. If they do, I may have to reconsider transferring to the land of opportunity.</p>
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<p>Except that the Tea Party Movement isn’t a party, it’s basically an arm of the GOP. The other issue is that a popular extremist party pulls the country to that side, as most conservatives look moderate by comparison.</p>
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<p>Doesn’t mean he has to add more debt to that 10 trillion dollars…The US Debt Clock makes me depressed…</p>
<p>In fact, America why do you have to make me depressed. Democrats are Democrats. Republicans are not traditional Republicans (Darn Bush). Tea Party is the crazy version of semi-real traditional Republicans.</p>
<p>I’m going to go vote for the Rent is Too Damn High Party now (frick it’s only in New York right now).</p>
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Before calling me illogical, please show legitimate evidence of voter fraud in the 2008 Presidential Election.</p>
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Ah, I’m wrong because I’m socialist. Incidentally, my political/economic view is socialism. My religion is Catholicism. Calling socialism a religion is amusing. What’s more amusing is that there are people out there that believe others are wrong on a matter simply because of their unrelated economic views.</p>
<p>And because I disagree with you, I got “riled up”? By attempting to belittle me in such a way, you continue to show your dearth of information backing up your views on voter fraud. If you can just make fun of the other guy, you win, right? Hardly.</p>
<p>When you say Catholicism, do you mean Roman Catholicism? If so, you might want to read this article.</p>
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<p>A Catholic’s duty is first to protect life. Once you have found candidates that embrace most of these values, then you can decide based on monetary considerations.</p>
<p>How did this get onto abortion? I thought you were arguing about whether voter fraud occured in 2008.</p>
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Universal health care is vital to the protection of life. The death penalty ought not be used. These are issues on which conservatives differ from the Catholic Church. Note how I didn’t say I was a Democrat, but a Socialist. Thus, I believe that every human being has the right to life, be they unborn, criminal, innocent Muslim civilian, undocumented worker, or too poor to pay for insurance. Widening the gap between rich and poor only creates more death and suffering for those in poverty. Jesus, of course, was a social revolutionary preaching to the poor. He said such things as “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.” Not only can a Catholic be a socialist, he ought to be.</p>
<p>A Catholic’s Earthly duty is the same as a human’s duty. To ensure the rights of all humanity. The struggle between rich and poor was something that Jesus was very involved in. Helping the poor is what He preached, and it is what the Republicans are opposed to.</p>
<p>I don’t see why you tried to counter my arguments with my religion. If abortion is the only thing you mean, then it is irrelevant. The Supreme Court made the ruling on abortion, and it must be them (or a Constitutional Amendment) to overturn it. Obama appointed a Catholic to the Court (interestingly enough, only Catholics and Jews make up the Court now). Yes, Obama is pro-choice on abortion, but he is pro-life in health care, something also mentioned in that passage you quoted. Other things mentioned: amnesty for undocumented workers, an end to the death penalty, workers’ rights/labor unions, lower taxes for the poor than for the rich, and money for education.</p>
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Someone said Socialism was my religion, I corrected them, then someone else attacked my political views with my religion. I just corrected them.</p>
<p>Sigh… abortion.</p>
<p>God. Annoying topic. </p>
<p>Women should be able to choose freely, but I personally feel they shouldn’t be abort a baby.</p>
<p>The end.</p>
<p>Calling socialism a religion. Get out.</p>
<p>Now we’re about to talk about the legality of Universal or national healthcare. Obamacare debate!</p>
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They should be able to choose freely whether to kill a separate human being? That hardly sounds right.</p>
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There aren’t many countries where this is a major debate. If the United States was founded on the equality of all humans and everyone’s right to life, with the government’s duty to protect that life, it means that the government has a duty to provide all things necessary for the continuation of life, including food, water, shelter, safety, and adequate medical care. That people are dying of things we can cure just because they don’t have enough cotton fiber paper with imaginary assigned values for a corporation to okay their right to life is ridiculous. It is not the paid privilege to life, but the RIGHT to life.</p>
<p>Obamacare: Bad legislation that, due to adamant conservative resistance, was made much worse.</p>
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They should have started with Single Payer and MAYBE moved to Public Option if necessary. The 60 votes thing is crap. They ought to have brought mattresses into the chamber and waited out the filibuster. Naturally, they could do this without mattresses, but it’s a nice dramatic touch. Let the American people watch the Republicans do everything they can to stop medical care for the poor. Wait until they break.</p>
<p>^^^ I agree entirely on that point.</p>
<p>For the abortion, it’s very touchy at that point. I can’t say whether or not it is a living human being at conception(Religion says it is, that’s one viewpoint).</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I say the option to choose should be there. It’s asinine to me if it’s not. Now I don’t support getting abortions all the time and think the most keen judgment should be applied before deciding to get one. It’s a hefty decision.</p>
<p>EDIT: I lol’ed at the representative from Texas when I watched the debate in full.</p>
<p>WE MUST NOT PASS THE HEALTHCARE BILL. THIS BILL WILL SUPPORT GOVERNMENT TYRANNY!</p>
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<p>A single-payer system would be far more defensible than Obamacare, IMHO.</p>
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<p>That would have been epic.</p>
<p>Single payer always seems to die in Congress. It is a powerful system. Seeing as our Friends to the north use it and have some of the best healthcare in the world.</p>