<p>Can I be leader of this new communist world? You can pay me what you pay everyone else, but I get to tell you what to do.</p>
<p>I notice that this is sarcasm, but i’ll answer you anyway. As long as your demands are reasonable and are for the betterment of humanity, Sure, no problem. I always laugh at people who think they are free. You are not free. You strive to conform to the social norm. Do you honestly think people love to work minimum-wage jobs? They don’t, they just don’t have a choice. All of you have spent all of your life in school, learning rubbish. Why? cause it’s the social norm and you have no choice. In order to support yourself, you have to participate in this society. True self-sufficiency is excruciatingly difficult to acquire. Why do you think people go to elite schools? to have an elite education? no, they go because they want to make more money and to feel more important than other people. You all are brainwashed. You are not your true self.</p>
<p>If you were slightly educated you would realize that your communist utopia is unachieveable.</p>
<p>Imbecile. It will happen, I’m just angry that it has and is taken so long. See, there’s a difference between being educated and intelligent. If you were slightly intelligent then you would see my point.</p>
<p>It’s because people go spend there currency on sporting events and concerts. Common sense that is sad but true.</p>
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So if no one wants to do minimum-wage jobs, and instead everyone does what they “actually love,” what happens when a job must be performed and no one wants to do it? Judging by your disdain for institutionalized education, I’m guessing it won’t exist, so what happens when that inhibits my doing what I “actually love”? In any case, this thread’s title seems to contradict that, since institutionalized education creates the professionals that you favor over celebrities.</p>
<p>Humans are social creatures, so I’m not sure what the problem is with participation in society. I’m not sure about your comment about self-sufficiency. Do you expect everyone to be completely self-sufficient? Does that mean they cannot receive help from other humans, or that they cannot receive help or services from institutions that you don’t like?
My purpose in going to an “elite school” is not “to make more money and to feel more important than other people.” I have worked hard because I desire security in and want to be good at a career that I enjoy. This is why I decided not to study engineering, even though it means I will probably make less money.</p>
<p>Reedan, you are delusional. Yes, your communism utopia is unattainable for the very simple reason that is human nature. Humans are selfish and greedy. We want the best for ourselves and those close to us MORE SO than we want the best for others.</p>
<p>It will never change because that’s human nature. And that capitalism. Contrary to your beliefs, many millionaires DID earn their position in life. Whether it’s because they’re smarter, more athletic, more social, more resourceful, whatever it is, they earned it.</p>
<p>And if everyone earns the same amount no matter what, than there is NO incentive to work hard and thus the human race would not be bettered or advanced.</p>
<p>Notanengineer, I feel that you either underestimate my intelligence or that you just lack common sense. My original post is not a new constitution. It is obvious that the society that I envision would be very difficult to achieve. For that reason, it is impossible for me to outline and describe how such a society would function in 5 brief sentences. You say that no one would want to do minimum wage jobs. That’s irrational. There’s plenty of people that would do it because it’s less stressfully demanding than many other jobs. My original post was an exaggeration as a result of my anger. What I really want to say is that people should get paid based on merit. However, there should be a limit. For example, the richest person should not be more than ten times richer than the poorest person. And yes, your purpose for going to an elite school is indeed to make more money and to feel more important. If you were born in a different side of the world you would have different motives. You have Been shaped by your environment. You are a drone.</p>
<p>Reedan, I’m gonna go against everyone else here and say that I actually agree with you. Like, wholeheartedly. Capitalism is disgusting, and the disparity and inequality it fosters really is just unacceptable. But instead of paying everyone the same wage for different jobs, in my ideal world (which is probably unrealistic, but whatever) the entire wage system would be abolished. Instead, people in small communities provide services to one another in exchange for more services. It’s like everyone is looking out for each other, making sure that their neighbor is just as well off as they are themselves. So, for example, just say I decide I want to be a teacher, and in my class is a farmer’s son, a doctor’s son, a builder’s son, etc. In exchange for me providing the kids of these professionals with an education, the professionals themselves will give me food, care for me when I’m sick, or build my house. This way of living would lead to a much simpler, more meaningful, and less lavish society, in my opinion. When everyone relies on one another, greed and selfishness has no chance to grow.</p>
<p>I think this is called social anarchism, by the way. Not sure though.</p>
<p>Nervousbreakdown, ‘‘my’’ ‘‘communism utopia’’ is inevitable. You claim that selfishness is human nature. That is true. But it will not always be like that. Selfishness and greed are products of stupidity. Humanity is increasingly smarter. It’s only a matter of time before people ‘‘wake up’’. And your claim that rich people deserve their money is laughable.</p>
<p>^I don’t know who you think you’re to be calling people names…</p>
<p>Capitalism is beautiful. If you want to be successful, the work your ass off if you were placed at a disadvantage. If you are fortunate, then utilize your resources to become successful.</p>
<p>Dramamine, it’s good to know that there reasonable people like you out there. I completely agree with you. My original post was overly exaggerated as a result of my ‘‘anger.’’ I don’t really think that everyone should earn the same, rather, it should be based on merit. However the richest person would not be more than ten times richer than the poorest person. Your idea is even better, money should indeed be eradicated. But the world is too stupid too acknowledge those things.</p>
<p>Capitalism is beautiful? Is it a coincidence that 2% of the richest people own half of the world’s wealth?</p>
<p>Did that 2% not work extremely hard?</p>
<p>No, they did not. And even if they did, that is not an acceptable reason for billions of dollars to be rotting away in their bank accounts. If you was a billionaire, would you keep all of that money to yourself while millions of people are dying in hunger? Even if you gave millions, it still doesn’t count cause that’s only less than 0.1% of your cash.</p>
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I don’t say that; you do:
I agree that a smaller division of wealth would be ideal and that there are people who have more money than they need. I don’t agree that anyone is prepared to arbitrate the change by either defining “merit” (more effort, more utility to society, more intrinsic skill?) or by assigning a maximum allowed ratio of wealth.
I disagree. I could probably make just as much money going to my state university (with less debt and less burden on my parents). As far as feeling important, maybe, but I believe that all human actions, even those that are considered “virtuous” are done hedonistically (for example, giving to charity because a human capacity for empathy makes one feel good by doing “the right thing”). I want to be good at whatever job I have. Maybe subconsciously buried in that desire is a craving for recognition. Whatever. You won’t guilt me for desiring personal improvement.</p>
<p>Yes, my life would be different if I were born elsewhere. That doesn’t mean it necessarily would have been better or worse, or that my aspirations in this society are therefore corrupt.</p>
<p>Haha, this turned into a debate over communism.</p>
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Cool.</p>
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But, what if he earned that money based off merit?</p>
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Good luck with that one. How will this work economically?</p>
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And an economic system with no currency is smart…? </p>
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“Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the
others”-Winston Churchill</p>
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<p>Prove that they didn’t work hard. And Warren Buffet is donating 99% of his wealth to the US</p>
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I did, but I am referring to the current system.</p>
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It’s pretty easy to see who’s actually contributing something to society.</p>
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<p>I’m not trying to make you feel guilty. I’m just trying to make you realize that we don’t have much of a choice in this society, our environment pretty much sums us up. There’s nothing wrong with going to elite schools. Just realize that all of us are slaves. I know it seems harsh but that’s the truth. We are slaves, and the celebrities and millionaires and billionaires, are gods.</p>