Why do whites discriminate against Asians?

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Specifically, if one were to use standardized testing as the sole measure of smartness, then the average Asians of Chinese descent are smarter than Whites in America.

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I would guess that you (and everyone else) are operating on anecdotal evidence here. The difference between the test scores of whites and Asians may not be as stark as you might think.</p>

<p>In 2006, the average SAT scores for Asian, Asian-American, or Pacific Islanders:
Writing: 510 / Critical Reading: 512 / Math: 578</p>

<p>Compare with the 2006 average SAT scores for whites:
Writing: 527 / Critical Reading: 519 / Math: 536</p>

<p>So Asians do have a higher composite score on average, but the difference is actually only 18 points (about 3 questions, more or less?). Also, on average, whites score higher than Asians do on 2/3 of the test - the Writing and Critical Reading sections.</p>

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get over it.......

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<p>See, this is what I don't get. If a black person were to say "Why do whites discriminate against blacks?" people would say.. "Oh I know I feel so bad for you omg i know aww.."</p>

<p>It's ridiculous. And God forbid that an ASIAN complains...</p>

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See, this is what I don't get. If a black person were to say "Why do whites discriminate against blacks?" people would say.. "Oh I know I feel so bad for you omg i know aww.."</p>

<p>It's ridiculous. And God forbid that an ASIAN complains...

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<p>I share a similar feeling.</p>

<p>Some threads in the past two weeks contain posts which seem to condone discrimination against Asians. Users making these posts frequently state that we should "get over it..." because</p>

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<li>There's no discrimination. Asians make it up because they think they're persecuted.</li>
<li>Asians are somehow magically "over-represented" and thus deserve to be evaluated on different and more subjective standards</li>
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<p>Given the number of stereotypes that have been used by some posters, it is quite obvious that there is discrimination.</p>

<p>If one cools down, removes one's politics for just one second, then one should realize that the term over-represented is ridiculous. How can anyone be "over-represented" anyway? The same people who use "over-represented" claim that quotas don't exist and are illegal, but they tout "equal representation" and "diversity" (based on skin color, of course) on campuses.</p>

<p>No one can be over-represented. The people who support such an idea sure as hell must have supported anti-Semitic admissions in a previous life.</p>

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<p>I don't think the discrimination's as bad as the OP portrays it as . . .</p>

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<p>jews aren't Asians</p>

<p>asians are yellow.</p>

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<p>OK...I could use your example to prove Hollywood discrimating against white men, for instance, at least according to your logic, not ALL white men are like James Bond, not all white women look like Pamela Anderson...blah blah blah</p>

<p>I honestly have never witnessed discrimination against Asians. But, Asian Americans do come from a different, undeniable culture. Those differences, however, do not signal discrimination.</p>

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<p>Jonathan and fabrizio are right. It's like Asians aren't given a right to complain. We're supposed to be the quiet hard working ones...god forbid we break that mold and cause trouble for the white man! Now that we're actually becoming visible in society (becoming "overrepresented" in colleges) people are like "OMG What happened to the uncomplaining Asian who was completely under our control and stereotype??? We're not in control of them anymore!!! It's their fault!!"</p>

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<p>Okay everyone calm down. We live in America, no one is being oppressed. Just because you don't get into a top twenty college doesn't mean your being discriminated against. You'll live.</p>

<p>Asians are in no ways smarter than other races. They seem to be harder working and more ambitious, but this is often because of the culture and the pressure the parents place on their children. </p>

<p>Hey guys, "over-represented" means that colleges don't want it filled up with just one type of student. Life isn't fair, get over it. They have a right to choose who gets to be in their college. And if you want to know, I am a white male, the original "over-represented" race.</p>

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<p>test grades do not show smartness
any kid in china going through their senior year right now can probably outscore anyone in america on a test, however, their future does not look too bright</p>

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<p>Jade Li, you've already created 3 threads on this exact topic. STOP! You're getting the same exact responses from EVERY SINGLE ONE. Someone just let this thread die.</p>

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<p>And how can you ask others to not stereotype when you yourself do that in the same breath?</p>

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Okay everyone calm down. We live in America, no one is being oppressed. Just because you don't get into a top twenty college doesn't mean your being discriminated against. You'll live.

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<p>Not being accepted to an elite university does not constitute as discrimination. I don't believe I personally have ever used that as an example in any of my posts.</p>

<p>What is discrimination, however, is the defense of stereotypes as truth. Some users really have tried to defend their usage of images as reality. To me, that is unacceptable.</p>

<p>Another example. There was a thread about Hispanic valedictorians a few weeks back. Apparently, one user made a post along the lines of "such a student doesn't exist." This post was immediately deleted by a moderator, and several other users immediately brandished cries of "bigot" and "racist." It appears as if it is a sin to stereotype against Hispanics, but it is perfectly acceptable to stereotype against Asians. Again, that is what is unacceptable to me, and that is discrimination.</p>

<p>I don't care how many people "fit" the image. There will always be people who do not, and to use the phrase of another user, such people are marginalized. They're grouped together with people who are, even though they are different.</p>

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Hey guys, "over-represented" means that colleges don't want it filled up with just one type of student. Life isn't fair, get over it. They have a right to choose who gets to be in their college. And if you want to know, I am a white male, the original "over-represented" race.

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<p>It would be nice if that were the definition of "over-representation." However, in context, many posters use that phrase to mean that there should be representation in universities proportional to demographics (ie. quotas). These same posters state that there are "too many" Asians in universities. Once again, a type of discrimination that is tolerated.</p>

<p>Though I have been criticized for using segregation, apartheid, and imperialism to support my argument against affirmative action, those examples are appropriate. Under your logic, since life is inherently unfair and people should "get over it", Rosa Parks was wrong to stay seated. Nelson Mandela was justly imprisoned, no questions asked. Algeria should still be a French colony. But, wait a minute. Americans can sit wherever they want to on public transportation. Nelson Mandela is a former President of South Africa. Algeria is a People's Democratic Republic! Change happens!!!</p>

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<p>JimmyEatWorld711: If you took the time to read my post, you will find that the data i'm looking at is from the Dept. of Education (specifically from the National Center for Education Statistics), not anecdotal evidence. According to your findings, my statement, although broad, is still correct. </p>

<p>Since you didn't fully understand my post, i'd recommend reading my last couple of paragraphs. These scores DO NOT MEASURE SMARTNESS! Using standardized testing is insignificant and ridiculous!</p>

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<p>johnnzen, I'm not sure what you're getting riled up about. I wasn't arguing with you at all. I was simply posting statistics to disprove this common assumption that Asians are inherently better at testing.</p>

<p>In fact, on average, whites score better than Asian-Americans on 2/3 of the SAT, and the only section that Asians do better than whites in is Math.</p>

<p>I think it's funny that we tend to revert back to the old AA argument because it's the song that we CCers know best. The issue at hand is in fact much larger than just college admissions. It's the image of Asians in America as a whole. I hope we can broaden our focus from AA and college admissions - these topics have been repeatedly beaten to death on other forums - and examine some other issues involving the status of Asian-Americans in American society. Refer to the OP.</p>

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<p>Ah. I see, my apologies. I'm just very passionate about my research. In my ethnic studies class, i've written a research paper specifically to address this topic. In that report I included K-12 standardized testing and the old version of the SAT's. The old version did not have the three sections, and thus the composite score of Asians/Asian Pacific Islanders show high avg. SAT scores than Whites.</p>

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<p>This may be off topic but comedian Russell Paters does a pretty good job of bringing out the various 'sterotypes'. He makes a interesting point that asians are amongst the most discriminatory amongst their own and other cultures!</p>

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<p>You're right on Russell Peters ^.</p>

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<p>Amen, Russell Peters is awesome. What is really funny is that he has a Chinese girlfriend.</p>