<p>As we all know georgetown is a great school, but does anyone know why USNEWS gives it a "low" ranking of 23? I would imagine that it should be ahead of CMU and Notre Dame, any thoughts?</p>
<p>I think one of the main problems was its endowment..and the whole alumni giving rate thing? Thats a "big" component of the USNEWS rankings...=.='' so stupid I agree. lol</p>
<p>I agree, many students even get into the ivies, yet GTOWN rejects them. I also recall an editorial mentioning GTOWN as "just a hair below the best ivies." USNEWS is like the Wikipedia of College rankings, simply unreliable.</p>
<p>The African elephant population has tripled in the past six months, thanks to the work of Stephen Colbert.</p>
<p>Newsweek didn't list Georgetown as one of the 25 "newest" ivies either. I think Georgetown is so highly competitive is because of its very attractive location in Washington DC. An endowment also says an enormous amount about a school.</p>
<p>Georgetown is one of the oldest institutions of higher learning in the United States, therefore, it's not a new "ivy" as it predates some Ivy League schools anyway. Georgetown would have been an Ivy League school if not for the fact that it was Catholic. Secondly, an endowment does not say an enormous amount about the academic qualities of a school. In fact, I don't think it says much of anything about a school other than its ability to raise money. More money does not necessarily imply that a schools academic qualities are going to be better. </p>
<p>Georgetown has a smaller endowment than most schools of its caliber because unlike them Georgetown didn't even have an institutional fundraising effort, meaning it didn't fundraise, until the 1980's, basically because it had no need to. Georgetown is highly competetive for many other reasons than having an attractive location. The SFS is near the top by any standard in terms of IR programs, the College is near the top for pretty much every area, especially history and politics. Georgetown's language programs are the best of their kind, with the Slavic Languages and Literatures, Arabic, and East Asian Languages Departments being at the very top of their respective fields. </p>
<p>I could go on and on. Georgetown is certainly under-ranked, but I don't care much for rankings anyway.</p>
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<p>That is doubtful. Georgetown is a great school and deserves to be among the likes of Cornell, WashU, Northwestern, etc., but it is not comparable to HYPSM in my opinion.</p>
<p>Overall Georgetown is not HYPSM, mainly because its science/math programs aren't really at the same level, nor were they ever intended to be--they're objectively fairly small. For the size of the faculty, however, Georgetown's science program actually does an astoundingly great job and is probably over-qualified for what they do. </p>
<p>But for anything non-science, and especially for languages, history, government/politics, and IR Georgetown is certainly at the same level if not better.</p>
<p>yet Cornell is an Ivy....? ergo, I agree with the statement...</p>
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<p>I don't know about you, but I certainly don't consider Cornell among the best ivies.</p>
<p>georgetown belongs in the ivy league more than cornell does</p>
<p>The Ivy League is an NCAA athletic conference.</p>
<p>From what I can tell Georgetown is too good at basketball for the Ivy League. Does it give athletic scholarships for basketball? The Ivy league doesn't have that (formally, by the rules, anyway).</p>
<p>How's Georgetown in Hockey? Football? Wrestling? Lacrosse?</p>
<p>There are lots of great schools that do not fit athletically into the Ivy League.
They are still great schools, better in many ways than schools that do play sports in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>MIT isn't in it either.</p>
<p>so would you guys choose Georgetown over Washu? I have to make this decision and its driving me crazy</p>
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<p>I second that.</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm perplexed as to why Georgetown isn't ranked higher myself.</p>
<p>Just to add a random statistic, two of the schools I applied to this year were Georgetown and Harvard. I got into Georgetown, but was waitlisted at Harvard. My friend, on the other hand, got into Harvard, but was waitlisted at Georgetown (and Middlebury) and rejected at WashU.</p>
<p>I think that, selectivity-wise, at least, Georgetown is up there with some of the Ivies (perhaps not HYP, or SM, but potentially the others). Sure, its admissions rate doesn't reflect that, but also keep in mind that the Georgetown application isn't common app. In an article I've read recently, Georgetown admissions officers have said that they will be keeping their application unique because it keeps the admissions pool from being diluted--you have to actually put extra effort and research into applying to Georgetown and filling out the separate application, meaning applicants are more serious about the school (and from what I'd read, I'd assume that the admissions person quoted took that as meaning stronger applicants in general), whereas common app schools are all online, making it easier to just add an extra school in the mix when you hit submit. Plus, Georgetown doesn't get apps from those people who just apply to the Ivy league because it's "Ivy," whether or not they're qualified.</p>
<p>Take a look at the link above. There is probably no greater collection of leadership in the world today than the alumni of Georgetown's School of Foreign Service. Quite literally, the SFS is the place for anyone who ever wanted to put the marker President, Secretary, Senator, Supreme Commander, Solicitor General, Correspondent, Cardinal etc in front of their name. Not that this kind of success will come to the average student, but it is still impressive. In the face of this, the lack of recognition of Georgetown in surveys such as the annual one by US News is beginning to actually become an embarassment for that magazine and its credibility. It is hugely problematic for US News to have a school whose recent alumni include heads of state for four of the one hundred and three of the thirty largest nations in the world, ranked lower than a half dozen or so non-Ivy private colleges. Couple this with the current faculty which includes past cabinet members and former heads of state and the recent performance of Georgetown in major fellowship competitions and it really strains reason to see Georgetown ranked as it is. </p>
<p>I think anyone thinking of attending Georgetown should examine the facts, evaluate the classroom and co-curricular environment at GU and not be concerned with ratings. Whatever is going on at Georgetown and has gone on there for the past 30 years, is a formula and experience for success and in many cases, greatness.</p>
<p>wikipedia???</p>
<p>FYI-there is also a listing of alumni at Georgetown's website</p>
<p>Money's pretty much the answer - alumni giving and the endowment are far below that of peer institutions. The old joke is that Jesuits can't manage money because they've all taken vows of poverty.</p>
<p>By way of comparison, the GU Law Center, which has no such problems with fundraising due to the importance of law school alumni connections, is ranked top 10.</p>
<p>I may be biased, but Georgetown is an extraordinary school. There are probably many reasons why it is dissed by the MSM and US News and World Distort, but I cannot imagine a school that is more selective, more demanding, and more unforgiving than Georgetown. We bust out butts here, but we are all proud to be part of the community.</p>