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<p>(>_<")... Ouch!</p>
<p>I will never post on this web site when I am half asleep ever again. That is all I am saying. </p>
<p>m(_ _)m... My Apologies.</p>
<p>I am not trying to make an excuse. I just figure that I am not the only one who has worked hard at their job while doing massive research for their honors thesis. I need to learn to nap or something.</p>
<p>LOL...I love this. If I'd said it the other way around, I'd still get naysayers. All women are different from men. Women are different from women. Gotta remember that.</p>
<p>Also, LOL, all girls don't do better than all guys. The few girls that have posted are the exception (even though I doubt that) not the rule.</p>
<p>I'm a girl...and I'm not easily bored at all. In fact, I can pretty much have fun doing whatever. People who get bored too quick...OFFEND me. And yeah, I'm easily offended.</p>
<p>That said your theory is still just completely wrong.</p>
<p>It's definitely because girls rule and guys drool.</p>
<p>Why do you doubt? </p>
<p>I don't really think either sex is more intelligent than the other overall, but it's true that there are general differences between the two. I'm a lot more guyish than the typical girl, though, so I don't fit many of the "rules" or whatever you want to call them.</p>
<p>stevee, you cut me to the chase for making circuit feeling ignorant. i was going to post the exact same thing.</p>
<p>It's actually because our schools are set up to be communal (everybody sits in their desk, facing the teacher who has all the authority to feed whatever he/she feels like, and all must comply or be sent to Mr. Principal), and women are more communally oriented, while guys are more independent and competitively oriented. That's my .02.</p>
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<p>you're such a feminist.</p>
<p>Is that supposed to be an insult Nick? :)</p>
<p>women do better in school because while they enjoy their social lives they on average contain it and keep their priorities straight and do good in school. </p>
<p>men nowadays are idiots but i believe it is in part what society tells them. while feminist organizations and our modern society(that i think are good) tell girls to do good in school to succeed, no one is telling this message to men anymore. men watch TV and see rappers and basketball stars and think thats the only path to riches and success. im not talking about poor minorities here either im talking about lots of children including middle-class white families.
men have lost their motivation to succeed and provide for themselves and their families. </p>
<p>females have been/are on the rise have been on the rise academically while men seem to be falling back or staying in place at best. </p>
<p>argument between men and women and who is smarter is ridiculous at best outside of joking. when women were discriminated against, everyone seemed certain men were smarter. since the feminist revolution, it seems that men while not discriminated against, have lost their upper hand and do not have the motivation to keep up on a level playing field. </p>
<p>this is just my perspective but i think it is a pretty centrist attitude that can be reasonably accepted by most.</p>
<p>note: i am a man</p>
<p>UCLAri:</p>
<p>Those studies are pretty nifty, but there have also been several studies that suggest that the way the brain is used and the factors it's exposed to (especially in childhood!) actually can change the physical structure of the organ. So while there would presumably be some innate differences between men and women, it should be noted that how we're socialized can also result in physiological variations. </p>
<p>The problem with a lot of brain research focused on sex differences is that it is nigh on impossible to untangle what is the result of nature and what is the result of nurture. The brains most scientists can examine (as well as the ones they use to interpret their results!) are shaped by gender expectations.</p>
<p>Leshachikha,</p>
<p>Oh, absolutely. I'm by no means saying that it's 100% certain to be true, but as society stands today, men and women have different amounts of gray and white matter respectively.</p>
<p>I also think, however, that they looked at some younger people as well, in an attempt to isolate the variable of nurture.</p>
<p>Either way, it's not terribly unscientific or even sexist to believe that physiological differences in men and women exist-- that's obvious. The real question is how much is nurture and how much is nature. That's not so obvious.</p>
<p>TheMK99,</p>
<p>I don't know about you, but there are plenty of excellent role models for men in the media. However, what does bother me is the effeminitization of men.</p>
<p>I think that the performance of men v. women in school has a lot to do with psychology (and social and gender norms), but is also becoming more and more about economics. </p>
<p>Why do more girls attend college? As much as I'd like to say that it's because we're smarter, more qualified (we actually usually are more qualified, but that doesn't really matter), and more driven, etc, but it really has to do with the job oppourtunities we have as women. </p>
<p>There are numerous high paying blue-collar jobs for men (construction, messy jobs that women tend to avoid- plumber, trash collector, etc, security), whereas blue-collar jobs for women are hard to come by (cashier, cleaner, waitress.) Just think of all the low-paying jobs held by women: dental hygenists, salon workers, nurses- each of these professions require at least some level of schooling.</p>
<p>I think that men know that there's a higher chance that they can succeed as slackers. Hey, I'd probably slack off too if I were male... it sounds like fun.</p>
<p>grim67,</p>
<p>Define "qualified."</p>
<p>UCLAri: Complete agreement. I would expect there to be some variation between men and women's brains (we do have different bodies, after all), just maybe not to the point where something as complex and multi-faceted as school performance can be wholly attributed to gender characteristics. </p>
<p>I just have a gut instinct to be wary when people cite those studies, because they're often taken as immutable proof that men and women are, in some way, so vastly different that any behavioral variation can be completely attributed to innate qualities. After all, the sexes have more things in common with their brains than different.</p>
<p>Leshachikha,</p>
<p>Oh, don't get me wrong. The study, done at UCLA, concluded with: the results, while interesting, don't prove anything.</p>
<p>UCLAri: Worth noting, lol! </p>
<p>Of course all the newspapers and Prevention-type publications will run headlines saying "Scientists Say: Men and Women have Differences in Brain Matter!" and draw all sorts of conclusions from it. But that's just the world we live in, I guess.</p>
<p>UCLA what role models are you talking about ? the only role-models for men i see are jokes such as brad pitt or people who got where they are without academics like basketball players</p>
<p>How about most of the Forbes 500?</p>
<p>Or the POTUS?</p>
<p>There are plenty of strong male role models who do value education. Yes, athletes and actors are big, but then again, many famous actors had excellent educations.</p>
<p>how many common kids could name anyone on the forbes 500 besides bill gates and donald trump ??? id put it in a low percentile, less than 5% maybe</p>