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I got Harvard to hit #1, PTigeralum,but maybe the fact that it took several tries and Harvard WASNâT on top tells us something.</p>
<p>Oh and that âmarry in HS to be able to file as an independentâ is right up there with the get pregnant and be a single parent in college strategy. Sheesh. 
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<p>And it is reasonable for people with lower income to feel discriminated in the high stakes admissionsâ game. And, contrary to the âfeelingâ of Asians, there is ample statistical support that show that the âtopâ 200 or so most selective schools admit and enroll a very small number of low SES students. See TCFâs Carnevale studies to read about the latter. The reality is that the schools in that group have done a much better job with racial distributions than with economic âcorrectiveâ measures. In simple words, schools admit minorities in sustantial numbers, and Asians despite the claims of discrimination are, and by far, the most over-represented sub-group at the most selective schools. </p>
<p>Not being accepted at a narrow number of schools that accept fewer than 10 percent of all applicants is not discrimination. Especially when plenty of the group claiming discrimination are accepted. Plenty enough to be over-represented by a substantial margin! </p>
<p>There is no smoking gun. </p>
<p>Suggesting HBCUs or CSULA are less favored based on âraceâ or ethnicity can be the same old two-step most diversity discussions end up being. </p>
<p>âMarriedâ or âParentâ are not hooks. </p>
<p>I think if youâre encouraging a HS kid to marry to take advantage of a loophole in the financial aid system you have bigger problems than paying your EFC.</p>
<p>Just sayingâŠ</p>
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<p>The above is related to the post I made about students focusing on the prestige and recognition of the schools. Prestige and recognition, in this case, being the ranking order of the USNews. I drew the parallels between Wellseley and Smith or Mt Holyoke to shows how schools that are similar in location and (perhaps) quality of education and resources fare quite differently in admissions and enrollment in the Asian community. If gender might confuse the comparisons, one could draw a parallel to WASP (Williams, Amherst et al) versus Davidson or Washington and Lee. I did include Rhodes â and included the anecdotes of Curmudgeonâs daughter to reflect on the âvalueâ of a small LAC in the rat race of medical school admissions. </p>
<p>The reality is that there are a great number of schools that are IMMEDIATELY below the usual suspects and provide plenty of opportunities to enlarge the scope of target schools. And plenty of opportunities to develop a strategic plan of attack. For instance, the ED admit rates at the most prestigious all female schools have had little relation to their selectivity. For someone who is prepared to use her âEDâ joker at Wellesley (or Smith or Bryn Mawr) the odds become extremely positive. </p>
<p>The same could be said for internationals and Asians. Schools such as Grinnell have made substantial efforts to attract under represented groups to their acres of cornfield. And Grinnell is hardly an exception. </p>
<p>The problem is indeed one of perception. A faulty perception that only a small group of schools will do, and a faulty perception that perfect grades and high test scores and ranking is all this is needed to land a prized spot that will generate all the ooohs and aaahs in the community. </p>
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<p>But if you get married, you lose your single-parent hook. Thereâs no beating the system!</p>
<p>Iâve decided to believe that californiaaa is a brilliant comedian with a twisted sense of humorâŠbecause thatâs just so much better than the alternative. 
Now, I can just sit back and enjoy the silliness. </p>
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<p>Okay, so this just has to be said.
SES is an unacceptable acronym since âsocioeconomicâ is one word.</p>
<p>So SES should really be SS.</p>
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<p>You can go to a trade school and become a plumber, welder or electrician and have your âcomfortable upper middle class lifeâ.</p>
<p>Some people aspire to do more than have a comfortable upper middle class life.</p>
<p>Some people want to change the world! In fact, I know of someone who went to a very good college, but decided to transfer and attend an Ivy. After graduating, he worked a bit and then went to ANOTHER IVY! That person is our President. President Barack Obama. Look it up!</p>
<p>Other people want to reach for the stars! I know of someone who was recruited to go to Cornell, but decided instead to go to Harvard. He then worked on his PhD at a non-Ivy and did not succeed since his thesis committee got disbanded. He then went to an Ivy and earned his PhD. That person is Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson. He can be seen on the TV show Cosmos. Check your local listings.</p>
<p>@âlookingforward</p>
<p>Re: â â â â â . I retract my previous comment (although I think the definition is still good).</p>
<p>Geesh. That is too much (even for me). I admire your patience.</p>
<p>LOL fluffy. There are several who try ones patience here, wouldnât ya say??</p>
<p>Oh and on another subject, I donât think we have blamed or offended enough groups in this thread yet. Lets blame the crazy parents and admissions unfairness on little people and polydactylys.</p>
<p>(darn I wish I could type-- oh lets add them-- people who are keyboard challenged)</p>
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<p>Actually, from a sociological viewpoint, using both the âSâ (social) and âEâ (economic) makes clear that it is not merely a status based on economic class but also one based on social standing. </p>
<p>So I donât have a problem with SES (plus"high SS" just brings up too many unfortunate Nazi associations for me)âŠbut I do have a problem with âSES status,â which does annoy me whenever it crops up. </p>
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Yup. And also annoying is the âDr. XXXXX Ph.D.â Equally redundant.</p>
<p>When I was in college and the dining menu went up on the wall outside the dining room, âmashed squashâ got labelled redundant every time it appeared.</p>
<p>(One of these days a post wonât require a typo edit)</p>
<p>As an attendee of a Catholic private high school, I say yes.</p>
<p>If you are a parent on college confidential you are already a parent as described in the OP. </p>
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<p>In an effort to get back on topic, (EDIT: not referring to you @BassGuitar) I have checked various Common Data Sets of âprestigiousâ colleges over the past few months and all the ones I have come across indicate that âracial/ethnic statusâ is considered. This is not tantamount to a conclusion that any school discriminates of course, but parents should double check the CDS of the schools being targeted to verify this point if it is relevant to your situation and may be a contributor to stress or âcrazinessâ</p>
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<p>The saddest thing in this entire thread is this poster is missing a really great parenting moment. You know, the one where you impart to your children how fortunate they are because they come from a stable family with enough money to give them some advantages in life, or at the very least a clean and safe home with healthy food and medical care, with parents who value education and support their children academically, who raise them to have a sense of ethical and moral behaviorâŠetcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Instead, thereâs some poor ninth grader out there whoâs being raised to think that itâs somehow an advantage to have hardships. </p>
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<p>californiaa, if you really think this is the case, then by all means have your daughter have a baby. Youâve said that youâre going to learn to play the game and go by what the adcoms wantâŠso if you honestly believe that a teenaged mother is going to impress the admissions folks, you should have no hesitation in recommending this to your daughter. </p>
<p>BassGuitarâs post is EXACTLY on topic! Its many if not most of the others that arenât!</p>
<p>Didnât I just say that? </p>
<p>To get back on topic, has anyone found a CDS of a âtopâ school that indicates no consideration of racial/ethnic status, and which might alleviate anyoneâs stress or craziness about this matter?</p>
<p>That wasnt written clearly</p>
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Unlikely many are looking for that variable, but to me it says that the URMs are given a tip, not that the ORMâs are going to be capped or discriminated against.</p>
<p>My bad.</p>
<p>To get back on topic, any other views about the CDS as it relates to racial/ethnic statusâŠand the resulting impact on stress or craziness</p>
<p>EDIT: Just saw your edit for relevance. Good on ya!</p>