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<p>i echo lizgirl- this is one of the best threads ever- very informative/from the heart. Thanks to all.</p>
<p>I will say one thing. There is very often an AMAZING transformation when a female midshipmen puts on civilian clothes.</p>
<p>It doesn't have to be a sexy outfit either. Jeans and a sweater, with their hair down, and you'll walk right by them and not even recognize them.</p>
<p>It's one of the great mysteries of the universe. It even made BROADSIDE, once, because it's true throughout the military.</p>
<p>Good evening Zaphod. I have been reading several of your threads - good stuff. </p>
<p>I have my first thread started "USNA waiver waiting game". I don't want to diverge from this great thread theme, especially since I hope my daughter will also be one of the class of 2010. But, if you have a chance to look at my thread and have any sugestions/comments. Well, I'll thank you in advance.</p>
<p>Keep up the great communication. I've learned so much in two short days - amazing!</p>
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<p>You're very kind. Thank you. :o</p>
<p>"There is very often an AMAZING transformation when a female midshipmen puts on civilian clothes."
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<p>The same could be said of male midshipmen. All of the uniforms/hairstyles at the service academies are such a contrast to what is "cool" or fashionable with contemporary American teens/young adults. How many young women really think "blue rims are really hot!" And, let's face it, usna is full of geeky guys...</p>
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<p>No, ma'am, it cannot.</p>
<p>The transformation I am speaking of applies only to women. I'm not being sexist; I'm simply pointing out fact.</p>
<p>A male midshipman in civilian clothes looks just like a male midshipman in uniform. In most cases, that simply isn't the case with the women.</p>
<p>And may I add, I have never, EVER, seen a female midshipman look WORSE in civies than in uniform. Not once.</p>
<p>are you suggesting that the typical young American male wears a hat and attends football games in a double-breasted suit??? Believe me, female mids DON'T think their male counterparts look the same in uniforms and civies. You're being sexist--admit it!</p>
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<p>No, what I'm suggesting is that there is something inherently de-feminizing about a uniform, and that the fact becomes terribly clear once the same female is wearing something other than one.</p>
<p>Now, if you want to call me sexist for saying so, then that's your own lookout.</p>
<p>I wore a uniform as a flight-attendant for Delta, and it didn't diminish my femininity one bit. Did I mention that I'm blonde and 5'10"?</p>
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<p>Does it matter?</p>
<p>"what I'm suggesting is that there is something inherently de-feminizing about a uniform..." zaphod</p>
<p>According to you it does.</p>
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<p>All I said is what I observed while I was in the Navy. I am not the only one familiar with the "Civie Transformation".</p>
<p>Your hair color, stature, and former employment have nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>so you're saying that by virtue of the uniform they wear, female Navy/Army/Air Force/Coast Guard officers, judges, surgeons, police officers, airline pilots/flight attendants, etc. are less feminine than working women in civilian clothes?</p>
<p>I think what Zaphod is saying is that uniforms were originally made to fit men, and despite how they are now made for women, they look more natural on men. SDBs are much more similar to a guy wearing a suit in the civilian world than to what a woman would wear in the civilian world. </p>
<p>Am I interpretting this correctly? </p>
<p>(On a side note, I find those uniforms on the guys to be much more attractive than civies, but that's just my personal opinion...)</p>
<p>Wait I thought we were just talking about military uniforms...</p>
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<p>No, I'm saying that those female Naval/Army/Air Force/Coast Guard officers, judges, surgeons, police officers, airline pilots/flight attendants, etc. generally look VERY different in civilian clothes than they do in uniform, and that the difference is FAR more striking than any male you're likely to find.</p>
<p>Is there a point to this disbelief of yours? I've had an extremely long and tiring day, and I'm just a little bit drunk, so if you could simply come out and say whatever it is you're trying to get at, I'd appreciate it. I've made my point as clearly as the English language allows, so I'm wondering what else you're looking for?</p>
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<p>Am I interpretting this correctly? </p>
<p>(On a side note, I find those uniforms on the guys to be much more attractive than civies, but that's just my personal opinion...)
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<p>Please stop making sense. You'll confuse the hypersensitive feminists among us. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>OK folks, here's the scoop. The effect....is REVERSED for the males! Daahhh! It's the dude you go to class with everyday at some civilian college or grad school that suddenly appears approaching on the sidewalk dressed in full dress Marine blues or Navy whites that takes on another whole perspective of sexuality for women! :D;):D</p>
<p>You sexist pig, you! :D</p>
<p>Welcome to the club! Wanna beer? <hic> ;)</hic></p>