Will I get into Michigan State?

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>^No, Michigan State does not have an "open admissions" policy in which "they accept any applicant." That’s totally false and ridiculous and you’d be wise to ignore it, Puppetzz. </p>

<p>Your statistics, however, would seem to put you in good stead, but it's not always easy to predict admissions, esp. with the unstable economy, including high, fluctuating gas prices, which usually cause more quality kids to stay closer to home.. MSU’s applicant pool has grown larger and stronger each and every year for the last decade – more so in the last few years -- so there are no guarantees. That’s true with any popular and competitive school. You're just slightly below the median in both G.P.A and ACT for MSU, but that's based on last year's group. Also, whether you're in-state or out-of-state doesn't matter much at MSU as both pools are pretty much subjected to equal scrutiny. Schools like U-M and UNC have a lot more OSS competition, hence their OSS stats are higher for their limited slots. MSU, on the other hand, is looking to increase its % of OSS, so it may actually be EASIER, slightly, if you're from outside Michigan. But whatever you do, just make sure you get your material in early (you can apply on line, as well) because those who wait, until even after Oct. 1, face much stiffer competition because many of the more competitive programs will start doing head-to-head face-offs over their rapidly diminishing seats.</p>

<p>One more thing, I wouldn't put too much stress in upping your grades by senior year's end; those are irrelevant to MSU, and most any other competitive school, unless you -- as noted -- wait to the last minute, in which case, your fairly nice stats, now, will needlessly become very borderline.</p>

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<p>I cant remeber but I think gas prices were about the same price now as they were last year at this time.</p>

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<p>But whatever you do, just make sure you get your material in early (you can apply on line, as well) because those who wait, until even after Oct. 1, face much stiffer competition because many of the more competitive programs will start doing head-to-head face-offs over their rapidly diminishing seats.</p>

<p>I had a 3.2 and an 1800 and applied in November and had no problems getting in whatsoever. With the OPs GPA I doubt he'd have any problems as long as he doesn't turn it in a few weeks before the deadline.</p>

<p>I'm (pretty) sure the only MI public school with open admissions is eastern.</p>

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<p>Off the MSU Admissions Website for their Common Data Set:</p>

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Basis for Selection<br>
C6 Do you have an open admission policy, under which virtually all secondary school graduates or students with GED equivalency diplomas are admitted without regard to academic record, test scores, or other qualifications? If so, check which applies:<br>
C6 Open admission policy as described above for all students X

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<p><a href="http://opbweb.msu.edu/docs/CommonDataSet/Default.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://opbweb.msu.edu/docs/CommonDataSet/Default.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So, it's not false, however, your assertation Quincy is false. BTW, what does OSS stand for? I know that OOS stands for Out-Of-State, but I don't know what OSS is.</p>

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<p>Did that just say MSU doesnt care about GPA and test scores?</p>

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<p>That's what State is telling you.</p>

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<p>Puppetzz, Michigan State is NOT an open admissions school; does not have an open admissions policy. Even though this is listed as an MSU website (obviously an obscure one), it is not an Admissions website -- this is some kind of budget/audit site which, no doubt, reflected hardcopy somewhere. A2Wolves obviously has done some digging to unearth this erroneous source for, in my 18-year association with MSU, I’ve never, ever seen MSU described as an open admissions school (no doubt, this would be news to the Admissions Office – see, below) -- and you’ll also note the error/internal inconsistency in this “report” as the statistics in Section C contradict that one “open admissions” erroneously checked box. Regardless of the source of this obvious error, consider the following: </p>

<p>here is the link for the official numbers (from 2005) from MSU Official Admissions webstite: </p>

<p><a href="http://admissions.msu.edu/Admission_Standards.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.msu.edu/Admission_Standards.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also, the latest Barrons Guide to Colleges lists MSU’s admissions standards as “Very Competitive” which is what they have been for decades.</p>

<p>I haven’t gotten current raw stats for 2005 (I’m working on it, and will pass them along when I get them); but as of 2002, the Ann Arbor News (Sunday, February 23, 2003) wrote: </p>

<p>“[l]ast fall, MSU received a record 25,210 undergraduate applications and admitted 16,977 of those students, or 67.3 percent. Of that total, 6,886 enrolled at MSU.”</p>

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<p>Puppetz, MSU has only gotten MORE COMPETITIVE since 2002-03. Hope this helps.</p>

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<p>^^A2Wolves, OSS = Out of State Student</p>

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<p>HAHA, I went to MSU.edu, typed in common data set, and MSU reported that they have an open admissions policy. Keep denying it though, keep thinking that this is a competitive admissions school. It's from MSU.edu, why would they be lying about their own admissions policy? They have a freshman class of around 7,000 students, they aren't going to be competitive for spaces. Their common data set indicates they received 21844 applications for 05-06, admitting 16686 (76%, the same number on collegeboard.com). If you aren't familar with common data sets, they go off the data that the admissions office provides them with, so they are 100% accurate.</p>

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<p>A2Wolves6 wrote: "It's from MSU.edu, why would they be lying about their own admissions policy?" </p>

<p>Try READING Wolves. No one said MSU was lying, I said it was obviously an ERROR by the school. I repeat, it may be from the university, but it is NOT an ADMISSIONS webpage, it's a budget/audit webpage where somebody, obviously, checked the wrong box. And, again, this is obvious because the stats from that same webpage makes it obvious MSU does NOT have an open admissions policy … never has.</p>

<p>A2Wolves6 wrote: "They have a freshman class of around 7,000 students, they aren't going to be competitive for spaces."</p>

<p>That's an absurd comment, which is obviously contradicted by your own statement that:</p>

<p>"Their common data set indicates they received 21844 applications for 05-06, admitting 16686 (76%, the same number on collegeboard.com)?" -- written by A2Wolves6.</p>

<p>A little math Wolves, if 76% were admitted, guess what? that means 24% (5158) were rejected! Even by YOUR OWN numbers (which, btw, I've read elsewhere that only 71% were admitted). Be that as it may, it obviously means it is NOT an open admissions policy. You're flat out wrong.</p>

<p>Haha back at you…</p>

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<p>The school publishes a data set, showing who they accept, who they reject, and the numbers. It's not that hard to understand. I understand that MSU isn't that great of a school to produce a uneducated graduate like you, however, I find it hard to believe they would publish errors when they do studies on their admissions. Who am I supposed to believe with their admissions numbers, an admissions website trying to attract top applicants with skewed data, or raw data from the research people? Strike One.</p>

<p>There is something called yieldm you obviously aren't familar with it. If you honestly believe that they admit only the students equal to thenumber of spaces they have, expecting all to enroll, you need to go back to school. There is no contradiction there, but you're obviously upset that your school is coming out saying "we aren't competitive", lessening your hard work in high school getting you in there. Keep trying though, it's the Sparty way, try and fail. Their yield for the year was 7485 students, who sent in their deposits indicating their enrollment (or 45%). Strike Two.</p>

<p>If a school says they "virtually" accept all applicants (you missed that word), that doesn't mean they accept all applicants. They reject the ones who apply with criminal offenses, terrible high school records, or who didn't meet all the application criteria. State's number is higher than others because they have more applicants with lower qualities applying there than a top school like Michigan does. However, they still have a open admissions policy in which they virtually accept all applicants, as they state that they do on their own website! </p>

<p>Strike Three. You're Out.</p>

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<p>^I know what yield is, Wolves, but obviously you don’t as evidenced by your absurd comments. Every selective college or university admits more than the spaces allow after, ahead of time, trying to predict from the future class of qualified admits, who will opt to attend rather than accept another offer. Usually counter-offers opted for by admits are from schools with higher admissions standards than MSU (which is the same pattern for most schools). However, it’s testament to the perceived quality of MSU by good students and their families that, in the last few years, MSU’s yield has exceeded projections/predictions, which accounts for the slight bump-up in enrollment.</p>

<p>Quite obviously, no school with “open admissions” is concerned with such concepts as “yield” as such schools all but admit everyone who applies. So how can a school like MSU that’s admitting only 67 to (by your own admission) 72% of the applications it received be an open admissions school? So your saying 38% of MSU’s admissions pool consist of students who clearly are not admissible to any school, right? --- that some 5-6,000 students ANNUALLY waste their time filling out (the increasingly more involved) MSU undergraduate application form (not to mention, throwing away their $35 app fee)? On top of that, you can’t even tap dance around explaining how any alleged MSU open admissions program can yield a 2005 freshman class whose averages are</p>

<p>High School GPA: 3.6
ACT composite score: 24.5
SAT combined score: 1150</p>

<p>Bottom line Wolves is, I repeat, your claim of an MSU “open admissions” process is false and a joke. Moreover, to make such a pejorative, ridiculous statement about MSU rejected students shows both your lack of understanding of the admissions process and your insane hatred of, and weird preoccupation with, MSU.</p>

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<p>^^Btw Drew00, I didn’t mean to say that admission to all MSU programs is competitive. Some are moreso (like James Madison and Lyman Briggs, pre-Engineering, pre-Business, pre-Vet, for example) are more competitive than others.</p>

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^I know what yield is, Wolves, but obviously you don’t as evidenced by your absurd comments.

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My obsurd comments? Where? Can you point one out to me? Or are you going to continue to make things up to shed light on your second tier state U?</p>

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However, it’s testament to the perceived quality of MSU by good students and their families that, in the last few years, MSU’s yield has exceeded projections/predictions, which accounts for the slight bump-up in enrollment.

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No it's not. It's testament to the rising tuition nationwide that is making more and more kids stay in state for the low prices. MSU's tuition is less than 8K for an in-state applicant. Why do you think that over 90% of the freshman class is from Michigan? Kids aren't coming from OOS to this school, which would indicate educational quality. It's just kids wanting to save money, and their parents advising themselves to do so. Not their "educational quality".</p>

<p>You talk about averages GPA, test scores, etc, and try and relate that to the open admissions policy. Have you given up on the argument that State has come out, published on their website that they have an open admissions policy, and now are trying to speak of the competitive student body? Just because there is a student body that is well qualified, that doesn't mean that admissions are competitive. Many well qualified students apply to state for the ADS scholarships, James Madison College, and other programs. Those students average out the 2.8 20 ACT student. And where is the source of the averages? The admissions website? That is the one place where you shouldn't trust the information. Every admission site wants to attract the top applicants. They do so by exaggerating their averages, when in essence, the true average is much lower than those. Look at the Common Data Set, nearly all schools publish one. It's the true indicator of a schools admissions policy. Unlike a Admissions website where the public views in which the school wants to market itself to the potential applicant and make money.</p>

<p>Ahhh, the "application fee" argument. $35 dollars is the lowest you are going to see an application fee for. It's affordable for nearly everyone who is somewhat considering the school. That doesn't work. Even on-site admissions require a fee. There is nothing to argue there. You fill out an application, you have to pay for them to consider you for admission.</p>

<p>I'll stay away from the 5 other sentences in which you put words in my mouth that I never said, or never even came close to saying. </p>

<p>How can they be an open admissions school? Because they state so. If you can't see that, then you need to go back to a REAL school and take some reading classes again.</p>

<p>I'm not "claiming" that MSU has an open admissions policy. Their own school is. I know you're ****ed that your school would check 'the box', and that it would openly state that it's an open admissions policy in which virtually all applicants are accepted (by the way, why are you forgetting that "virtually" word again? You're acting like an open admissions policy admits everyone, which isn't true), but that's life, and that's the decision the admissions office made when dealing with applications. Deal with it.</p>

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<p>A2Wolves6 wrote: "If you can't see that, then you need to go back to a REAL school and take some reading classes again."</p>

<p>Thanks for proving my point, Wolves. You're crazy bias against MSU should be obvious to everyone to the point where nothing you write should, in any way, be taken seriously.</p>

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<p>Hey, I am going to MSU next year, if you got any questions about admissions, feel free to PM me. I remember at a school visit one of their counselors said they have open admissions, so I don't think you should have trouble getting in. I think A2Wolves6 is right Quincy4.</p>

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<p>pihiplyr13, with all due respect, I think you must be mistaken as to what the definition of open admissions is. Whatever that counselor meant, they didn't mean anybody with a HS degree will be admitted regardless of grades/scores. That's simply not correct.</p>

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<p>No, he just said they had open admissions, not that they would admit everyone.</p>

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<p>^ok.......</p>

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<p>Well, that certainly got heated, and way off topic.</p>

<p>Back to the main point. You'll get in, don't worry about it, just apply early in September and you'll hear back sometime in September. MSU isn't particularly competitive because it is a lower-tier state school with several good programs, but don't worry about it with your stats, you're in.</p>

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<p>Ho hum -- no, Michigan State is not a “lower tier state school” -- by even U.S. News' standards -- hardly the Gold Standard -- it's considered 2nd tier; and some, including myself as well as Alexandre (as dyed in the wool Wolverine as you can get), believe MSU could, indeed should, be considered a top 50 school -- as in “1st tier”. And, yes, MSU is "particularly competitive." Barons, among others, have rated MSU anywhere from Very Competitive to Very (+) Competitive. If you're comparing the school to the Ivies, which you weren't, maybe you'd have a modicum of validity.</p>

<p>Look, SocSkiBlue, I know you obviously have UM loyalties, but please don't deliberately distort facts. Isn't UM good enough -- as I've widely acknowledged myself -- that they don't need people like you doing that? HS students are here for information, not trash talk. People like you don't speak well for your school and are soooo tiresome.</p>