Wise advice from a USNA grad

[raimius]

<p>Well, it is nearing that time of year when most appointees will have to face the decision: “Do I go to the Academy or another school?” The dotted line on that form is waiting, and not everyone has decided.</p>

<p>Here is some advice from a USNA grad and (no longer active) CC member.</p>

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@Zaphod

Zaphod 4-19-2006</p>

<p>Advice for those who haven’t decided yet…</p>

<p>A little birdie came to me with a dilemma. What happens when the long-awaited letter of appointment finally shows up? For some, the answer is obvious: You hold the postman at gunpoint while your kid checks yes and hands it back to him to mail. Easy, right?</p>

<p>Not always.</p>

<p>There is an old saying (Trekies pay attention) that says, “It is often better to want than to have. It is illogical, but often true.” It is true, and can be true of almost anything; a car, a boat, a house, a piece of jewelry. </p>

<p>Or an appointment to a Service Academy…</p>

<p>What I’m going to try and offer here is some advice to those sitting at their parent’s table night after night, staring at their letter of appointment, but not knowing which box to check. Perhaps the parents standing by (razors poised over outstretched wrists) will find some comfort, too. </p>

<p>The scenario is not as uncommon as you might think. Hopefully I’ll be able to offer some insight to help you with your decision.</p>

<p>Now, before I begin, I’ve noticed several new names around here lately, so if you CC veterans will kindly indulge me for a moment, I’d like to introduce myself to the new folk as well as lay the groundwork for some points I will make later.</p>

<p>I am a graduate of the Naval Academy Prep School (1987) and the United States Naval Academy (1991). My BS is in General Engineering. I served five years as a Surface Warfare Officer and then left the Navy, and have spent the last ten years working as a Supervisor, Engineer, Consultant, Manager, and now Director of Quality Assurance in the medical device and diagnostics industry (6.5 years in a Fortune 100 corporation). I have a Master of Business Administration (2000) and a Master of Science in Industrial Engineering (2001) from the University of Miami. I am a certified Six Sigma Black Belt. </p>

<p>I am also hoplessly biased toward the Service Academies in general, and USNA in particular (just in case anyone’s missed it ).</p>

<p>In short, I’ve been there, done that, and still wear the T-shirts (that fit). I’ve seen and lived the Service Academy experience from every conceiveable angle except as a parent, and I hope to do that in about 12 years when my oldest becomes part of the class of 2021 at USNA (because Lord knows, her Daddy ain’t lettin’ no daughter o’ his disgrace the family name by going to Woopville or Zoomieville! )</p>

<p>This discussion is primarily for the applicants who have not yet decided whether they want to go or not. I particularly invite the Mids and Cadets we have here to offer their viewpoints as well, since they are there NOW. Who knows? Some of THEM may find this useful, too. If so, then so much the better.</p>

<p>As for you parents, hold on for the ride, because here we go… </p>

<p>So… You got your appointment and you’re sitting there wondering, “Holy smokes! I got in! NOW what?” </p>

<p>Well, delaying isn’t going to help. You must decide, and you must decide soon. It is a cruel lesson in life that when opportunity knocks, you’d better damn well answer the door, or you will spend the rest of your life regretting it. A decision must be made, but which one?</p>

<p>USNA? USMA? Notre Dame? MIT? Harvard? </p>

<p>WHICH ONE?</p>

<p>“Maybe my parents will choose for me!” Survey says: WRONG ANSWER. This is YOUR decision to make, Junior. No one else’s but YOURS. This may be the first major decision you make in your life, but YOU have to make it, and your LIFE depends on it. I’m not being dramatic. This is cold, hard, REALITY. Welcome to adulthood!</p>

<p>When debating whether to attend a Service Academy, do not be put off by doubts you may have because you don’t seem as gungy as the others around you who have already memorized the Reef Points. Some folks live and breath Army or Navy. Others go in with a bit more reserve. Perfectly normal.</p>

<p>As with so many other choices in life, you must first decide where you want to end up after the decision is made. More than once I have advised folks who, say, want to be a doctor, NOT to attend a Service Academy. Why? Because the chances of getting into Med School out of a Service Academy are VERY low, and only the best and brightest get the opportunity. </p>

<p>So decide right now: Do you want to be a pilot, or a doctor, or a submariner, or a Green Beret, or do you want to be an OFFICER who happens to be a pilot, or a doctor, or a submariner, or a Green Beret? In other words, if you don’t get your choice of Service Selection, will you still be happy, or is being the pilot more important? If the answer is the latter, then don’t go, because nothing is guaranteed. If, however, you want to be an officer and a graduate more than anything else, THEN GO!</p>

<p>You have to realize that time changes people. When your service obligation expires, you may decide that you want to leave the military for any number of reasons. If that happens, what do you want to do? Where do you see yourself in 10, 15, 20 years? Based on THAT answer, you make your decision.</p>

<p>One of the most important traits sought after in Corporate America these days is LEADERSHIP. Companies are awash in people with technical degrees who can calculate the movement of an electron across the universe or across a circuit board, but can’t compose a coherent sentence or head a team (ask me how I know! ). When it comes to leadership, the Service Academies have everyone else beat, hands down. I’d rather have a SA graduate on my staff than some Wharton or Harvard MBA.</p>

<p>When you graduate a SA, you are guaranteed five years (or more, depending upon service selection) of employment. In that job, you will be leading people and be in charge of millions of dollars of equipment in some pretty challenging environments. At 23, you will have more responsibilities than some people in Corporate America have at 35. You may not appreciate how valuable that is, but I guarantee you the people HIRING do!</p>

<p>The Academies will teach you self-confidence in a way no other university can. You have no idea how many times in the last 15 years I’ve fallen back on, “If I made it through Plebe Year, I can do this, too!” My mother dying, job pressures, getting two Master’s degrees while working full-time, a divorce, turning a $35 million plant around alone, branching out alone into consulting. ALL of these challenges were made more endurable by what I learned at USNA. If I could make it there, I’ll make it anywhere. (Apologies to Old Blue Eyes)</p>

<p>You will make friends that will be family, and who will stand by you through thick and thin. You may spend years not seeing someone, but as soon as you do it’s like you were together yesterday. We take care of our own.</p>

<p>There is no drug in this universe (short of Rapture, and I still have my doubts), that compares to the euphoric, boundless high you feel when, after four (or five, like me) years of effort, you throw your cover into the air along with your classmates. Nothing comes close. The birth of my children didn’t come close. A classmate and friend who sat next to me at my graduation was my next-door neighbor at NAPS. He was also our anchorman (last in the class). When those covers went up, we held each other and cried like babies, and we didn’t care who saw it. First off, we had earned the right, secondly, a whole bunch of our classmates were doing the same thing. Calling us wimps at that moment would have gotten you mashed into paste.</p>

<p>So there is the “pro” side. I can go on for hours about it, but in fairness, let’s look at the other side.</p>

<p>What if you want to be a doctor more than an officer? No problem. Being a doctor is an admirable goal. If you choose to attend Notre Dame to study medicine, then you have my repsect. If you want to be a hard-core engineer and do some real number-crunching on some great projects, and you get accepted to MIT, then by God take the opportunity! If you want to be a banker, and have an offer to Harvard, then take it and go, and never look back!</p>

<p>All these examples require that you want something specific that the Service Academies either cannot provide, or from which the opportunities are extremely limited. To go to a SA under those conditions would be foolish, no matter how good the Academy in question is. These schools have their purposes, and your goals have to line up with them.</p>

<p>Some have voiced reasons not to have selected USXA as “I’m not sure I want the regimented lifestyle” or “I’m not sure I’m cut out for the Service”. Well, if that’s the case, then you bloody well should never have applied. </p>

<p>Some are afraid they can’t hack the regimen. I call BS. If you can get INTO the Academy, you can get OUT with a degree and a ring. You think the government is going to invest $250,000 on you if they think you CAN’T make it?</p>

<p>Some are afraid the Academy is no fun. What, do we stand at parade rest while taking showers? NO! Sure, Plebe Year is tough, but after that, USXA is not unlike a good deal of universities. You have clubs, dances, and all the rest. Sure, you can’t go out every night (not good for grades, anyway), but when you take 4,500 of the nation’s best and brightest, lock them together, and add a little pressure, you’d be AMAZED at just how creative and fun it can get. It’s no bed of roses, but the end is definitely worth it.</p>

<p>I’m going to take a break now, and let you guys think about it. I am at your service to answer questions. Let me leave you with this:</p>

<p>1) Choose wisely. Make sure that your choice is the one that best prepares you for the future you want. I can tell you for a fact that for “general purposes”, nothing beats a Service Academy. For specialties or fields not addressed by a SA, then the choice is easy: go somewhere else.</p>

<p>2) Choose for YOURSELF. Do not choose anything because you think it will make your parents happy, or your girlfriend proud, or any of that junk. You must be viscously selfish and dreadfully cold in this decision. This is YOUR life you’re dealing with here, and no one else’s.</p>

<p>3) Do not make decisions out of fear. Fear and doubt are normal, especially when facing Plebe Year. Remember that over a thousand people going into USXA with you this summer WILL graduate. If they can, why can’t you?</p>

<p>4) Do not listen to your friends. Listen to your PARENTS. THEY are the ones who have spent your lifetime making you into what you are today. It is THEY who stay up late at night, worried to death that you haven’t decided, or if you’ll make a sound decision. TALK TO THEM. They have forgotten more about life than you currently know. What do your stupid friends know that your parents don’t, and which ACTUALLY MATTERS?</p>

<p>5) Beware of college counselors who try and guide you to THEIR choice because of THEIR prejudices. “You want to go to NAVY? WHY?” If someone asks you that, walk away. They don’t have your best interests at heart.</p>

<p>6) Be excited abut your choice. If you’re not, you chose wrong.</p>

<p>Okay. I’m tired. Think about it, and DECIDE. If you need some help, I’ll be here.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

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[missmuff]

<p>Thank you so much. Definitely good reading</p>

[AmericanKid]

<p>Hey thanks for the great post.
Can service academy graduates go to graduate school and earn advanced degrees?</p>

[raimius]

<p>Yes. Most will serve at least a few years before going to grad school, but some will go directly to grad school after graduation. An advanced degree is pretty much required to make Major or Lt Colonel. Career officers usually have at least 1 advanced degree (sometimes more). I don't know about "5 and divers" stats...</p>

[AmericanKid]

<p>Does the military choose your area of study or can you earn a degree in any field?</p>

[hornetguy]

<p>You can choose whatever major here you want (of those that are offered [30+]).</p>

[swimcatsmom]

<p>Excellent post. My daughter seriously considered USNA but realized what she really wants is to be a doctor and, more specifically, a pediatric oncologist, so it was not the correct choice for her. I read this post last year when she was in the thinking stage and asked her what was more important to her - being an officer or being a doctor. Really good advice.</p>

[07PETKO]

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You can choose whatever major here you want (of those that are offered [30+]).

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<p>I believe the current tally is 32. :)</p>

<p>The majors here are also quite diverse, so you should definitely be able to find something that interests you. Some graduates will go on to work in fields related to their majors, will others will do something else entirely. As raimius mentioned, a Master's degree is almost essential now to progress past the company grade officer ranks.</p>

[cs09viking]

<p>the usna person put it perfect outide talking down "zoomieville"...</p>

<p>i attended in the mid 90s and my best friend from usafa lives down the street from me in dallas, is my son's godfather, and is about to marry my wife's cousin. </p>

<p>the relationships you make are endless. you will forever be locked into your friends.</p>

[Banquo_13]

<p>Wow, thats amazing reading... Makes me think twice about things, even though that decision hasn't come yet, its definintly helpful.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

[raimius]

<p>Yeah, Z was a little biased against anything but USNA, lol.</p>

[kyle4578]

<p>My sister went to USAFA (1983 grad) I met my husband there because of her(1986 grad) we married the day he graduated. We introduced another sister of mine to a bachelor friend of ours while we were stationed at Elmendorf, they subsequently married. Now, my son has recieved appoinments to both USAFA and USNA, he is 80% sure he wants to go to USNA, we were surprised with our Air Force history, but we couldn't be prouder of him. We will be visiting Annapolis in a few weeks, followed by USAFA in April. Hopefully, it will help Kyle make up his mind. Either way I know he will do very well because he wants to be an officer first, career choice second. Also, I won't be surprised to see him set his sister up with a handsome cadet or midshipmen and the cycle continue.</p>

[USNA_I_Hope]

<p>I would also like to add that when deciding whether to attend a SA or not, you need to remember that you will not be going there just for yourself. You are going there for your family and friends because eventually you will be on active duty and possibly putting your life on the line to protect them. Anyway, that helped me decide.</p>

[raimius]

<p>You also need internal motivation. You may go to serve others, but if your heart is not 110% in it, it will be a serious hardship.</p>

<p>Serving others (friends, family, country, etc) is a good reason, but be careful that the desires of friends and family are not your driving motivation. You friends and family aren't the ones up at 0400 working on that history paper, etc.</p>

[greeneagle5]

<p>A big thanks to Zaphod and also raimius for the reposting of this excellent discussion on the sometimes difficult decision of accepting an appointment to a SA..... well thought out and good advice......I printed and gave it to my son to read and digest.......he's leaning USNA but still waiting to hear from a few more schools he applied to.....Vandy and UVa, .... He's visiting USNA (again) in 2 weeks for a CVW which should assist him in making that final and important choice..</p>

[Pmarol]

<p>greeneagle5, my son is also leaning USNA (mainly after reading that post above frankly) and is doing his CVW April 10. Is that when your son is going?</p>

[Anonagron]

<p>I second greeneagle5! </p>

<p>I printed off a copy for our son who has accepted a USMA appointment. That copy is going into his USMA home file and when the going gets rough I will pull it out for him to re-read to remind him of his reasons for wanting this service academy: because his goal since 8th grade has been to be trained by the very best to become an officer in the United States Regular Army. </p>

<p>As parents, we've never pushed, just encouraged him to set his standards high. Thanks again Zaphod and raimius. These words of wisdom will be read again and again, I am sure.</p>

[soccerbeast597]

<p>i live in idaho, do i have as good a chance as someone who lives closer? also do you have to go to the naval academy prepatory school in order to go to the naval academy? thank you soo much!</p>

[NROTCgrad]

<p>Living in Idaho does not change your chances compared to living Colorado, or Alaska, or New York. No difference at all, for any state.</p>

<p>No, you do not need to attend the Naval Academy Prep School, which is only for people who have all the qualifications for the academy but their academics are a little lacking. Many of these people are athletes.</p>