<p>Cuse - Oh, I have no question that is right. Winning is always exciting and certainly enhances the experience. However, under the heading of “any excuse to party”, many schools with mediocre teams (terrible is a whole 'nother thing) still generate a lot of fun for the students on game days. I think you and I largely agree on this one, but I will still stand by my statement that it is rather sad that college sports have long gotten to the point where it isn’t about rooting on your fellow students any longer, they are as distant from most students as professional athletes, at least at the big-time sports schools. Anyway, drifting off topic.</p>
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<p>My mistake. If I could edit my original post I would, but as for now I stand corrected.</p>
<p>Alright, here is a new ranking of athletic success of the USNWR top 30 based on my latest list. Football winning seasons are worth one point, BCS games are worth won point, NCAA tournament appearances are worth one point, and NCAA final fours are worth one point. </p>
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<li>USC (20)</li>
<li>Notre Dame (15) (tie)</li>
<li>UCLA (15) (tie)</li>
<li>Berkeley (14)</li>
<li>Duke (13) (tie)</li>
<li>UNC-Chapel Hill (13) (tie)</li>
<li>Michigan (11)</li>
<li>Wake Forest University (10)</li>
<li>Stanford (9)</li>
<li>Virginia (7)</li>
<li>Northwestern (3) (tie)</li>
<li>Rice (3) (tie)</li>
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<p>USC is a little iffy right now because of the scandals regarding their football and basketball teams.</p>
<p>fallenchemist, wrong yet again. </p>
<p>I am not equating winning teams with the point of this thread. IT IS HAWKETTE THAT IS EQUATING ATHLETIC PROGRAMS WITH THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. I am just correctly her about Rice’s incredible athletic program which she claims here.</p>
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<p>Cuse, maybe you should look up the definition of Division I football and basketball and come back to complete your list. You left out quite a few schools here</p>
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<p>Sorry, I meant Division 1A. What division 1A football schools did I miss?</p>
<p>There you go Cuse, you really meant Division 1A for football.</p>
<p>and how about basketball, did you leave out any Div. I basketball schools?</p>
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<p>Yes. Look back at my post-it is a list of schools that offer D1(A) football and basketball.</p>
<p>I didn’t see where the OP mentioned sports as the main criterion. To some “work hard, play hard” entails beer pong as a major sport, coupled with a student body focused on academics/career.</p>
<p>Universities with this kind of culture include Penn, Northwestern, Dartmouth and Duke.
LACs include Williams and Claremont McKenna.</p>
<p>broetchen, that was the work of Hawkette, who seems to think that being a spectator at a college sport (baseball) that has its playoffs after the end of the Spring semester, when the kids have already gone home, seems to add tremendously to the overall life of a student at a college and should be a major reason to attend that particular college.</p>
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<p>hi friend,
really it is very good idea for a school with party, but if the school administration will not be strict then it is not possible to run the school.
also the students only will care for the party and enjoy not for the study,
so it is very tough to implements</p>
<p>JA,
Re your post # 64, what’s up with you and your serial mischaracterizations? Either you’re deliberately distorting my words or you really don’t read too well. </p>
<p>While I am huge proponent of the benefits that come with a strong college athletic life, my long-expressed interest has been in the fun associated with attending schools that excel both in academics and athletics, not their athletic success. For me the games are secondary. Always have been. Sure, winning is preferred, but win or lose, these major college sporting events are almost always a good time. </p>
<p>I like the event and the campus-wide energy that it creates for students, for alumni, for townies, for employees, maybe even the faculty. </p>
<p>I like how the college sport regularly brings alumni back to a school in large numbers and/or gives alumni a reason to follow their school every Saturday in the fall and sometimes in the winter and spring. </p>
<p>I like how the students get all pumped up, especially when it’s a big game and/or the game has national consequences and is telecast all across the USA. </p>
<p>I love all the pageantry that accompanies the match, from the tailgates to the marching bands to the cheerleaders/spirit leaders to the hordes of fans dressed in the home team’s colors. </p>
<p>A strong athletic life is an element of collegiate life that you won’t find at many highly ranked colleges. Some students may not care about any of this and that’s fine. But some do and many will find their college’s athletic life to be a fun and memorable part of their undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>hawkette, I am sorry but what does any of this have to do with Rice and its poor athletic program?</p>
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In answer to your question of why I posted as I did in # 72, here are some of your comments on Rice:</p>
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<p>Putting aside your lack of appreciation for what Rice has done with its baseball program and its 2008 football success, I really wonder if you could even find Rice on a map…:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Anyway, it’s a pretty neat little school that has had outsized success in one very competitive and nationally prominent sport.</p>
<p>JohnAdams - Here is hawkette’s original statement:</p>
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where you take it to mean athletic success, since you then refer to Director’s Cup standings. You and only you gave her statement a meaning completely not there, especially in the context of this thread which is about how various aspects of campus life, including athletics, contibutes to a “play hard” atmosphere. None of this was about if the athletic programs were among the best, but instead was about, in some people’s opinion, how the athletic programs, successful or not, worked into the mix of the social life. Only you turned it into a question of athletic success or lack thereof, when that was not even being discussed at the time. So you had a massive fail there, and I was completely correct.</p>
<p>BTW, it is really annoying that you quote entire posts rather than pulling out the pertinent parts. But whatever.</p>
<p>hawkette and this is the main reason that you continue to state that students should attend Rice over other more qualified schools?</p>
<p>Because of its success in college baseball, where the more exciting games are played during the playoff season and are played mostly away from home and after the school term has already ended and the students have already gone home?</p>
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<p>JA,
I’ve stated nothing of the sort that Rice’s baseball team is the MAIN reason for a student to attend. If that’s all you can see from reading my posts, then I can’t do anything more for you. You have rocks in your head.</p>
<p>Here is how the REVD and non-HYP Ivies compare based on Student/Faculty Ratio:</p>
<p>Student/Faculty Ratio , College</p>
<p>5/1 , Rice
7/1 , Emory
8/1 , Vanderbilt
8/1 , Duke</p>
<p>8/1 , Brown
6/1 , Columbia
10/1 , Cornell
8/1 , Dartmouth
6/1 , U Penn</p>
<p>JohnAdams’ arguments sounds more than desperate, and more than ridiculous. Point out how he makes stuff up, and he just changes what he focuses on. He really distracts from the discussions everyone else is trying to have.</p>
<p>Probably too late now, but let’s try to get back to discussing what schools have great academics and are fun socially, however hard that means for partying.</p>
<p>hawkette, so now you are denying that you stated in other threads on CC that the main reason to attend Rice over HYP is because of its greats athletics, meaning its great baseball team?</p>
<p>are you really denyng that you stated this?</p>
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<p>fallenchemist, going back to the topic of this thread, I don’t know about hard working, but it is my understanding that your school, Tulane, should be close to the top of top party schools. Partying all week, including Sunday through Thursday. Partying as in, Mardi Gras partying every day of the week.</p>
<p>Do you agree with this?</p>
<p>I find this hard to believe, considering that something like 20-30% of Tulane’s undergraduates are 30-something commuters to the night school, living at home together with families and all.</p>