<p>I find that some really nice girls come out of Germany and Israel.</p>
<p>I thought smurfgirl simply explained why she did not fit the stereotype of a dumb American girl.</p>
<p>She defined common characteristics of girls who are stereotypically seen as dumb in the United States, compared herself to these examples, and justified why she was not one.</p>
<p>By the way, I always appreciate AFPrep850's posts.</p>
<p>And I also agree with him on his post. Germany and Israel do have nice girls.</p>
<p>I like the kind of chocolate bits Hershey makes. A lot of good stuff comes out of that factory and brand. Would I buy Hershey chocos? Yes! I find that some really nice chocos come out of Hershey.</p>
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I feel I get very exoticized by Americans, at times: as if I am this curios thing to be observed much like an event. That attitude disappears as they get to know me better, yes, but it is still there and I understand it to be even more common with asian girls - it bothers me how people are reduced and commodified down to their features. I want some strawberry milkshake! I want an asian girl! </p>
<p>Many of us are intelligent, self-sufficient individuals in our own right, and don't appreciate being belittled and commodified. It's not flattering as much as it is disrespectful.
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<p>Welcome to the life of an expat in places where the people don't have the grace to understand your situation. I lived in Asia for several years and there were days when every person I encountered treated me like an animal in a zoo.</p>
<p>And being exotic? Well, if you want to, you can use that to your advantage. For many, the exotic is always more attractive than the parochial. Or, as you are, you can be wary of people that don't see your basic humanity but only see you as a type. I don't think that state is very different from how most of us, unless we are kind of archetypal, have to live. Only in your case it is more pronounced and clearly related to your foreignness -- and probably ever so much more pronounced if people find you attractive to boot. On a list of things to empathize with you about, though, it's not really high up there to be honest. I think it's just a question of how you work with it and understand that is the way people see you sometimes not the way you are.</p>
<p>I really couldn't give a damn if shes foreign or not. As long as shes a girl and has the qualities I like I couldn't care if she was blue.(If blue was a normal human color) Or where she came from.</p>
<p>I wouldnt mind some azn action.</p>
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This thread is judgmental and ridiculous. Are you honestly going to reject someone based on his or her nationality? I don't say this often, but I'm honestly disgusted.</p>
<p>I'm Swedish; I've also lived in Russia for four years, Belgium for four, and the US for six. I attend an international high school, and my best friends are from Lebanon, Russia, India, El Salvador, and the US, among others. My hair is more brown than blonde, and I do not bear any resemblance whatsoever to Victoria Silvstedt [I think she's the most famous Swedish Playboy model?]. I would hate for anyone to judge me or anyone else -- positively or negatively! -- based on things like these, and I'm shocked and disappointed to see that some of you might.
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<p>CS: I notice that you live in Washington DC. I would guess by your international background that your parents work in some international field with the World Bank or as diplomats or some such thing. You therefore live in a world where being foreign or international is a fairly commonplace thing. For many parts of the country, a willingness to date foreign women (since this thread asked guys about women) is actually a mark of tolerance, not judgment; the default would more likely be to not consider dating someone foreign.</p>
<p>^You're right, actually; both my parents are diplomats, and most of my classmates seem to have at least one parent at the World Bank. Probably because of my background, the idea that for many others "the default would more likely be to not consider dating someone foreign" is, well, foreign to me... and by that I don't mean "exotic" but "bizarre." It's akin to saying you wouldn't date someone black or Asian.</p>
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Definitely. Not only is this thread racist in its overgeneralizations, it also exoticizes and commodifies women of "Other" cultures (American girls "demand too much" - too much what? equality? someone please qualify this statement). This thread also seems to have a lot of taste as to what kind of "woman" is proper and pleasurable to consume, and what type of behaviors white women display (not white men, of course - men are persons and not under the same moral scrutiny we condemn women to) making them unconsumable. </p>
<p>Men are (of course) absent in this discussion, but I am guessing that these same behaviors that American/white girls display are things we almost take for granted or at least do not condemn in adolescent males. Are we to understand exoticized women are more desirable than American ones because the latter take too much liberties reserved for men?
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<p>Well, first of all, I wouldn't want to have to defend people like Vyse above or whoever drove this discussion quickly to talking about "white boys" or "white girls."</p>
<p>Working backwards, the question posed by the OP was a woman asking men something, so it's not a surprise that most of the responses are pitched to respond to this question. </p>
<p>I wouldn't lump all these responses together. I happen to like exotic women, but not everyone does. Also, I've never had a problem with women being overtly sexual. If they want to do that, that's their business. In fact, I am inclined to like women to be that way, :) but if it goes too far, I would admit, I would likely cross them off the list of potential girlfriend. With American girls, I do loathe what I think of as the Britney Spears phenomenon: dress like a whore, be coquettish, and be really squeamish or puritanical about sexuality. I consider that somehow really hypocritical, and indicative of mainstream American culture -- and related to the fact that guys will sleep with such girls and not respect them afterwards. It all goes together. </p>
<p>The statement about American women demanding too much is open for a huge discussion. I don't think it's equality that men are afraid of; actually, there have been stories showing that increasingly well-educated and successful American men want women whose accomplishments match theirs. This is probably a result of the fact that except for the super-rich couples that become serious enough to want to marry will need two incomes to do the whole marriage and family thing.</p>
<p>Before I go further, I brought up American women demanding too much as an opinion of some men I know; the views stated here do not necessarily reflect my opinions. My guess is as follows: women also commodotize men, but along different lines. Men tend to want eye candy more. Women want men of stature and are less concerned with looks. We are inundated with a lot of images, and it makes us feel impoverished. This is true of people as well as things. Men who look at porn alot are known to find their partners less attractive sexually. Poor people who see that Carrie from sex and the city seems to work little, but can afford a big apartment in NYC and whatever those shoes are called Manolo Blanik think something is wrong with them.</p>
<p>Oops, I gotta run.</p>
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Probably because of my background, the idea that for many others "the default would more likely be to not consider dating someone foreign" is, well, foreign to me... and by that I don't mean "exotic" but "bizarre." It's akin to saying you wouldn't date someone black or Asian.
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<p>But to be honest, you live a life where you have seen many different kinds of people in many different contexts throughout the world; you therefore would be a lot less likely to view color or nationality as a barrier to dating someone. I am the same way, actually.</p>
<p>But I will admit that I have other barriers: one would probably be being interested in people that don't have such international experience or at least perspective.</p>
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both my parents are diplomats, and most of my classmates seem to have at least one parent at the World Bank. Probably because of my background, the idea that for many others "the default would more likely be to not consider dating someone foreign" is, well, foreign to me... and by that I don't mean "exotic" but "bizarre." It's akin to saying you wouldn't date someone black or Asian.
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<p>You'd be surprised, then, to see how much dating someone of another race (even if they're American-born) is an issue in many parts of the country. There are quite a few people in this country who wouldn't date a black or Asian American. It's sad, really.</p>
<p>I think the OP posed a good question. Many people on this thread have taken it as a chance to stereotype people from other cultures, whether in a good or bad way. But it's a legitimate question, IMO, to ask whether you'd date someone of a different culture. After all, your values and background could be quite different (though they may not be as different as you'd think). Now whether or not you should date someone based on race alone (for instance, a White American vs. an Asian American) is a completely ridiculous question to me, since there's likely less of a difference in culture.</p>
<p>Even more than cultural differences is the whole "do I find people from other races attractive" deal. I know many, many white males who honestly do not find black females to be attractive.</p>
<p>Call it racism if you want, but I'm sure others think the same way, it doesn't really have anything to do with hate or differences.</p>
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Now whether or not you should date someone based on race alone (for instance, a White American vs. an Asian American) is a completely ridiculous question to me, since there's likely less of a difference in culture.
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<p>For the first time someone dates someone of a different race, sometimes a bit of jungle fever comes into play. Though I wouldn't have admitted it, it happened with me with the first African American women I dated. I am over that now, fosho. My girlfriend soon to be wife is part African. I had no idea, I just thought she went to the tanning clinic. Seriously.</p>
<p>My first African American girlfriend's brother absolutely hated that I went out with his sister. I think most of it was not about me personally, but about 1) mostly that I am white 2) he was very protective. The funny thing is his mother is white -- and he lived with her though he was well into his 20s. That really, really <strong><em>ed me off. Basically he was a racist sonofa</em></strong>*.</p>
<p>**"I know many, many white males who honestly do not find black females to be attractive.</p>
<p>Call it racism if you want, but I'm sure others think the same way, it doesn't really have anything to do with hate or differences."**</p>
<p>There is a BIG DIFFERENCE btwn thinking a WM preferring to be with a WF and yet, acknowledging that there are attractive BFs and a WM who believes there's no such thing as an attractive BF.</p>
<p>One is racist; the other is not.</p>
<p>(Btw, the media images of BFs certainly haven't helped.)</p>
<p>^^^ Very, Very, True.</p>
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I know many, many white males who honestly do not find black females to be attractive.
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<p>When I was still dating, this meant more possibilities for me or at least less competition....;)</p>
<p>On the flip side, I've known white guys who only dated black women and took great pride that they wouldn't date white women. With one in particular, far from thinking it open-minded, some non-white women friends we had in commom viewed his attitude as racist and ridiculous. I view it as racist as your statement, and I agree with k&s: preferences are one thing. Total exclusion of one race from the category of beauty is racist.</p>
<p>On the flipside - there are people who won't date people from within their own race/ethnicity based on their negative stereotypical beliefs about their female counterparts.</p>
<p>There are some black guys who won't date black women b/c they think all black women are too aggressive, loud, pushy, unfeminine, etc.</p>
<p>There are some white guys who won't date white women b/c they think all white women are fat, spoiled, sluts, feminists, not-family oriented, etc. (these, btw, often tend to be the same guys who think that Asian women are feminine, caring, family-oriented, loyal, etc.).</p>
<p>The truth of the matter is that people who believe in these stereotypes about their female counterparts (or for females, in stereotypes about their male counterparts), deep down have more of an issue with themselves than with their counterparts of the opposite sex.</p>
<p>I get ASIAN action every week. It's nice.</p>
<p>I would definitely date a foreign girl, because really i dont see a difference. If you like a girl and would like to know her better, you should talk to her and go out with her.</p>
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I would definitely date a foreign girl, because really i dont see a difference. If you like a girl and would like to know her better, you should talk to her and go out with her.
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<p>But sometimes if she's foreign, it's impossible to talk to her 'cause you don't know her language and she doesn't know yours. And all you're left to do is to speak the universal language of love....</p>