Would you recommend the 3+2 Engineering Physics POE?

<p>I will appreciate candid responses to the following questions:</p>

<li><p>What about Juniata impresses you the most? Is it everything you had hoped for, prior to accepting their offer of admission?</p></li>
<li><p>Would you recommend the 3+2 Program … collaboration with Columbia University (the IVY League University in NYC)?</p></li>
<li><p>What is the eligibility criteria for this program?</p></li>
<li><p>In addition to the minimum GPA requirement, are there additional qualifying tests, interviews or exams to clear, before being considered?</p></li>
<li><p>Is this program available ONLY to in-state ¶ students?</p></li>
<li><p>How many students have historically made the cut? How many students typically apply? How many students in total take this POE?</p></li>
<li><p>When do you declare your intention to enroll in this program?</p></li>
<li><p>What is the 75th percentile of SAT and GPA scores of incoming freshmen who eventually opt for this program?</p></li>
<li><p>What else can you tell me about Juniata, from your own experience as a student? </p></li>
<li><p>Also, students who visited Juniata, or who otherwise did not take their offer of admission can comment on why they did not opt for Juniata?</p></li>
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<p>Thank you in anticipation of your response.</p>

<p>I am not sure what to make of the lack of response. The questions are open to current students, administrators, parents or anyone having insight into any of these questions.</p>

<p>My daughter just finished her freshman year at Juniata, which is why I was looking at the Juniata posts. By the way, my daughter had a wonderful year at Juniata. She enjoyed all her professors, who were very helpful whenever she needed assistance, and she appreciated the small class sizes. She also made tons of friends at the school and is spending an incredible summer in southern Mexico thanks to a scholarship she received from Juniata.</p>

<p>But about that 3-2 engineering program... My son is a junior in high school and he wants to major in engineering. My husband and I are concerned about the high wash out rate of students majoring in engineering at universities so we were curious about 3-2 programs at liberal arts colleges. </p>

<p>Juniata, as well as many liberal arts colleges across the country, offer these 3-2 degree programs. These colleges often align with the engineering schools at Columbia University and Washington University in St. Louis. Some of the other schools that participate include Penn State, Case Western Reserve and Duke.</p>

<p>I wondered, however, if these 3-2 programs really work. Do the colleges adequately prepare students for the rigors of engineering school in the fourth and fifth year of school? </p>

<p>What I found out when I talked with the director of the engineering program at Washington University was extremely encouraging. (He didn't want his name used because he said he is leaving the program after eight years and someone will be taking his place.)</p>

<p>The engineer was positively ebullient in his praise of the liberal arts students who end up at Washington University's engineering program. He said some of the best engineering students at his school are the liberal arts transfers. He said the liberal arts majors are mature, they actually finish the engineering program--unlike some of Wash U.'s own students -- and they get great jobs. He said employers are very eager to hire engineers with the extra liberal arts degree. "It's almost too good to be true," he gushed.</p>

<p>He attributes the success of the transfer students to the more personalized attention at their smaller liberal arts schools, which can provide the nurturing some kids need to get through rigorous math and science classes. A student at a liberal arts college is more likely to receive help as opposed to a student at a university where there could be hundreds in a calculus class.</p>

<p>He has been so pleased with the success of the 3-2 program that he said if he could get his engineering degree over again, he would start at a liberal arts school. </p>

<p>He said there should be no mystery about who is accepted for the program. Washington University posts the requirements on its web sites. For instance, a student needs to have taken three calculus courses, two semesters of calculus-based physics, two semesters of chemistry, etc. The school requires a 3.25 GPA, but some schools don't require a GPA this high. He believes Columbia only requires a 3.0 GPA. If a student meets all the posted requirements, he or she accepted to the program. </p>

<p>Washington U. does provide financial aid and some merit aid to students, but there are no guarantees. The package a student receives may be better or worse than the one they obtained at their liberal arts colleges. </p>

<p>This approach won't necessarily be the right fit for all would-be engineers, but it's definitely worth considering. Especially since the wash out rate for engineering students who choose the traditional route is so high.</p>

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<p>Thank you for your candid and insightful reply. I particularly appreciate the feedback from the Washington U professor.</p>

<p>I have heard of similar instances of kids washing out of the Engineering Schools at the end of the first semester. Only the topnotch students seem to be capable of handling the load.</p>

<p>I am hopeful that the first three years of a rigorous Science Program rounded out with personal development (including strong oral and written communication skills) programs in a liberal arts style of teaching would prepare students for the rigors of the Engineering School.</p>

<p>As for the transfer to Yr 4, is it done automatically through the school (upon meeting the reqs of course), or does the student re-apply? Would you know the experience of anyone who has done so through Juniata?</p>

<p>My daughter is not particularly keen to transfer colleges midstream, although this seems to be a good route.</p>

<p>btw, is your daughter in a Science Program at Juniata? According to published reports (Fiske), Juniata's Science Program is rated the best among LACs.</p>

<p>Regards,</p>