"You can't throw fits in college"

<p>Sometimes, I cry or throw tantrums in response to exhaustion and schoolwork. It is a symptom of my Asperger's and ADHD. I want to go to a real, honest-to-god liberal arts college in ther fall of 2010, but my mother and my SE teacher tell me that I will have to go to community college if I keep throwing tantrums. How can I stop the tantrums and convince the people in my life that I CAN go away to college? </p>

<p>Note: I have already applied to thirteen colleges and universities and gained admission to one, so school suggestions are not necessary.</p>

<p>Meditation training and mindfulness training may be useful for you.
Currently, do you throw fits in school or just at home?</p>

<p>I tend to have them at home because I leave school utterly exhausted and irritable every day. However, I have had a three at school over the past few days, and it scares me because I am usually more composed.</p>

<p>Have you had any sort of counseling? Perhaps a good counselor or psychologist could teach you some techniques to use to control these outbursts. I really think you need professional help rather than advice from random strangers on a web site.</p>

<p>Yes, you do need to master the coping skills so that you don’t “throw fits” when you are in college. One thing that you might consider, is to defer enrollment for one year. That way you could have time to work on these issues without the pressure of the school environment, and studies. Talk to your mother about this option.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Don’t use those as an excuse. I have asperger’s and adhd as well, and i do not throw fits.</p>

<p>Go to theraphy (oh dear god i mentioned it <em>shivers</em>). It will help.</p>

<p>My copeing skills are, believe it or not, blasting music from my mp3 player when class is on break, doodleing, video game playing (yes it does help, but i only play when i have no HW), or reading.</p>

<p>Find something that will work.</p>

<p>^It is a very broad and variable term and it has many symptoms you may not have, but that does not mean its their fault. Coping skills vary greatly from person to person, and it takes time to find really. Just be careful it does not turn into an obsession, eg. video games.</p>

<p>Best advice I can give you is to find a meaningful way to keep anxiety (stress) in check. That could mean cognitive behavioral therapy, a hobby, medication, meditation, exercise, gaming, reading - many different things. But I sincerely believe that it is the build-up of anxiety and the inability to let it go that leads to the raging.</p>

<p>oh my god, i have both asperger’s and adhd too, and i throw fits too.</p>

<p>god we’re so similar.</p>

<p>the police once got called on me</p>

<p>MissPickwickian </p>

<p>I also live in TN!</p>

<p>I think that while you are still in high school, which I am assuming you are, you might want to try and find someone to speak with about your ‘fits’. Depending on what area of TN you live in, there might be more resources available to you than you might think. </p>

<p>With that being said…</p>

<p>Do not let anyone tell you that you will just have to go to one of TN’s community colleges because of certain behaviors you have in the here and now. None of that really makes sense at all. I know for sure that in our respective home state, some guidance counselors and the like have issues with a thing or two and like to literally play God. They really do. </p>

<p>So, you try to keep on keeping on with courage. Please try to look into finding some help with what is ailing you in the here and now because that way you will be better prepared to fully go the distance at University.</p>

<p>Miss Pickwickian - I worry about you for now - not for college. People with Asperger’s or ADHD don’t have “fits” just because they have Asperger’s or ADHD. If you are so stressed out in school that you come home exhausted and have a meltdown, this is not a symptom of your Asperger’s - this is a RESULT of the inappropriate school system we have for kids with disabilities. I feel for you. </p>

<p>If you are having them in school now (and I know I’m late with this response), maybe you need to take a couple of days off. My son burns out every so often - last week was midterms, and he totally crashed over the weekend (he also has Asperger’s, is a junior). Have them send your work home, make a doctor’s appointment, or one with a therapist. Sleep. Kids need crash time, and aspies especially burn out with stress - so maybe that is part of the reason you are having the meltdowns in school.</p>

<p>Whoever suggested the meditation and mindfulness training had a very good suggestion. In the short term, you might find videos on YouTube or something of how to try and center yourself so that you can find a calm place to go mentally. Of course, that’s in addition to finding a counselor to gain some coping skills. Does your school have anyone there that does this sort of thing? Some do, but you need to ask. </p>

<p>Now, as for community college - if you’ve already been accepted to one college, you are going to college. Period. :wink: Don’t let others make it worse - that the SE teacher would say something like this just tells me that he/she is not interested in finding out why you are having these meltdowns. That’s not support, that’s just ignorant on his/her part. Come here, talk to us. We will talk to you. </p>

<p>Feel secure in knowing that College is Different. You set your schedule - well, except first semester - and even then you can probably lighten the load if you have to. I would suggest that when you do go, don’t pack your schedule. Take one course less than you have to (but enough not to screw up your FAFSA or dorm situation!), and ease yourself into it. </p>

<p>And before you even go, make sure you know who to go to for help of all kinds - schoolwork, mentors, support services - so that when you have that split second when you need someone, you know exactly what to do/where to go, and won’t melt down from stress of having to find out all at once. </p>

<p>Oh, and BTW, you CAN throw “fits” in college. But no one will want to be around you, and that won’t be any fun, so isn’t it better to find a way to Not have them? Or better yet, not Need them? :)</p>

<p>Keep us posted as to how you are doing. {{{MP}}}</p>

<p>MissPickwickian </p>

<p>Where are you, honey? </p>

<p>On my side on TN it is snowing like the dickens. </p>

<p>I hope you are doing well. Maybe you had a snow day today at your high school? My college is closed :)</p>

<p>@ice dragon remove your head from where the sun don’t shine</p>

<p>conditions manifest themselves differently in different people</p>

<p>I clicked on this topic because your situation sounds very similar to mine :-)</p>

<p>I “was” diagnosed with AS a long time ago, and my mother believes I have it because I tend to “perseverate” from time to time, and have few if any real friends, but I’ve never believed I had <em>that</em> per se because unlike those with AS who have a tendency to focus in on just one element of a situation, I look at the whole picture. I believe I have <em>something,</em> but not AS, because part of that “big picture” deals with how my family at home is actually more than not the main “culprit” in why I “throw fits” (I actually “threw one” just tonight). I’ve actually NEVER “fallen apart,” as my mother says, IN school, and I’ve come to believe that once the family factor is taken out, I’ll be fine, because I won’t have that nagging anxiety of coming home to worry about once I get accepted at a four-year dorm school (I’m currently finishing up a two-year Associate’s that has taken me FIVE to finish…but for a lot of CC students, it can take up to twenty-five and then some).</p>

<p>So I had an argument yet again with my mother and the rest of the family who are all insisting that I commute to a regional school rather than live away at a dorm or on off-campus housing. They’re even saying I should defer for a whole year and take a job in the interim (because I’ve never had a real “paying job” and have always concentrated on my studies), and THEN reapply (but still to a regional school) once I’ve had a taste of “the real world” – and not only that, but to apply to a more “career-oriented” program of study rather than Creative Writing at Emerson College, which I’m geared towards right now. I live in SE MA and really, Boston isn’t that far from where I live, but the interactive format of Emerson’s programs (they really encourage extracurricular activities, and even limit class time and/or integrate the clubs within the classes so that students can get involved) feels just so “right” for someone like me who IS into “the big picture” rather than a traditional Liberal Arts or English major degree. </p>

<p>1) I absolutely hate classical literature and can’t stand reading another Faulkner or Hemingway for a snooze-fest English course. My GPA is a 3.84 and I’ve been encouraged to apply to the more “prestigious” schools, but I’d rather have fun at Caroline’s Comedy Club than be a “Brown” noser at the Ivy Leagues. State schools don’t have enough variety and are really geared more towards the “get-your-paper-get-a-job-work-for-80-years-then-die” assembly line future – exactly what I DON’T want. 2) I don’t want to be an English teacher, EVER, or a professor (which is primarily what an English degree would offer), because all that grading and testing and turning to “the dark side” sounds rather routine and boring and way too structured and dull for me.</p>

<p>So actually, I probably have severe anxiety rather than AS because 1) AS/ASD have trouble understanding others’ expressions/emotions/intents, when I’m actually almost hypersensitive to others’ inward expressions (sounds like a contradictory term, I know), and I really can walk into a room of 50 people and sense almost immediately what at least 40 of them are feeling that very moment. 2) I do see “the big picture” of things, and it feels right now like my family is determined to let my past (how I’ve always been at home) determine my future, but I prefer to take a more expansive approach. So I probably have ADD as well because I’m exactly the opposite of AS/ASD in that I almost CAN’T focus on just one thing at a time. </p>

<p>My mother has said that I’m so “hyperfocused” on attending Emerson and so that’s a classic example right there; however, I liken it to the old adage of “having your heart set” on something and doing whatever you can to achieve a goal. Also, I’ve always been very bookish and intellectual and preferred to read or improve my knowledge rather than hang out with other kids; when I am in class, sometimes I just can’t resist talking about something I’ve read that pertains to the discussion somehow, but even though what I say often falls under the category of “no one cares” or “trivia,” “factoids,” etc., isn’t that just a sign of disciplined study habits rather than an obsessive puzzle freak? </p>

<p>I can’t stand slackers, and a LOT of my classmates CHOSE to either sleep late or ditch class for Dunkin’ Donuts and need “understanding” for why they should have a passing grade and just not study or do the work. I don’t fit well with school-to-work programs, and the bulk of enrollment is in the professional certificates or career options (healthcare, office, dental hygiene, business, elementary ed., etc.). I’m FINALLY getting ready to transfer to a school where I can be with other creative-minded individuals who love the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, and/or aren’t too keen on classroom time but thrive on extracurriculars and clubs, who don’t like math, and who want a fast track and a kick start in a field doing SOMETHING they enjoy. I don’t think it’s that I have a problem, per se (although isn’t that the credo of the textbook “problem child,” i.e. Charlie Sheen?), it’s just been that neither my current school nor my current home life has really been a good fit. </p>

<p>I was absolutely berated by my younger brother tonight because he wants to go to college and be a PT, which is a “real job,” and “why should Mom waste $40K so you can ‘study’ Creative Writing?” The old what-are-you-going-to-do-with-it argument, and of course, because of how I do “fall apart” (but not in class, mind you), 'WHERE are you going to do it, and it had better be no more than 15 miles from home." I don’t care if you’re an AS with an AA or a grade-A AA A-hole with a BA in BS piled high and deep. When someone is in your face SHOUTING INCESSANTLY THAT YOU ARE AN EFFING FAILURE AND EVERYONE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF YOU WERE IN LOCKUP OR DEAD, YOU FREAKING ■■■■■■■■ PSYCHO B–CH (as my brother shouted in my face tonight), that’s going to hurt, especially if someone else (my father – <em>his</em> father too) has already done it, did it for several years, and <em>still</em> does it without any regard for the person’s feelings. If I was really devoid of understanding for emotional capacity (as the “syndrome” is said to render one), I wouldn’t have been so hurt, and I would just repeat or echo his words to someone else in the same or similar situation. BTW, my brother’s not AS or ASD, he’s just an A-hole who I’d swear is popped up on 'roid rage and that’s why he’s been so successful at, of all things, the entirely non-competitive, cooperative, understanding sport of FOOTBALL. /sarcasm</p>

<p>AS/ASD are said to have problems with metaphors, figures of speech, and sarcasm and take everything literally, and obviously I don’t. Even in my term papers, my professors have remarked how they are greatly amused by my sense of irony and satire, a literary device that would apparently be all but lost on most AS/ASDs, from what I understand. They don’t see the big picture, so they fail to grasp such turns of phrase. I hate how my mother believes everything the shrinks have told her. It’s completely contrary, I believe, to how the “mother instinct” is supposed to operate, which is that no one but the mother knows her child best, and once the child is grown, he/she comes into a better awareness of his/her own identity. </p>

<p>For the record, my mother wanted to be a nurse when she initially enrolled in school, but has never been very assertive, and basically allowed her family to tell her what’s best for her, and so she became a teacher, met my idiotic, abusive father (whose own father was her boss at one point), and the rest is history. Now everyone in the family has reneged on what they, themselves have said all along, that they DID essentially pressure her to change her major or abort her dreams (when she probably should have aborted her initial fetus, or before that, put a total kibosh on walking down the aisle). In fact, I believe that since I am getting ready to leave the (cuckoo’s) nest, that in itself is a “problem,” because the whole lot of them are very Bates-like (“you don’t upset Mother!!!”) or more appropriately, Corleone-esque (“you don’t go against the family”), and themselves have habits and traits that are just overall really very sick. But whenever there is a change in the paradigm, things go wrong, and tempers flare, insults fly (a textbook Aspy would picture four-letter words with wings, but I don’t), and anyone who dares upset the apple cart (another expression!) is bound to get rotten tomatoes thrown in the face – and stuffed down the throat. Hm, sickly aversive to change, obsessed with sameness…could it be my whole family is AS/ASD/OCD/W T F (that last one’s not a clinical diagnosis, LOL…and neither is that one), and I’m the only one who’s “normal” or at least able to recognize that something IS very wrong?</p>

<p>A textbook Aspy might have trouble making comparisons (because of the whole big-picture thing), but I’ve never had trouble adapting the words of others to an existing situation. Case in point – “A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.”</p>

<p>I’m just wild about Oscar. But no one seems to have any love for me. :-(</p>

<p>Not to play Oprah (and apologies for the extended rant), but MissPickwickian, I really do, I “literally” do…I <em>feel</em> your pain.</p>

<p>And I just want to let you know: Good luck. We’re all counting on you. :-)</p>