<p>Thanks everyone. Syracuse does seem like an excellent program. Good news for d. She just received her OCU acceptance letter (academically). Now we pray for great audition. She is still waiting to hear from NYU for approval to audition. Does anyone know how the audition appointments work? D only has 2/25 date available now. Are they flexible?</p>
<p>Thanks
Lexismom</p>
<p>Someone asked about Syracuse Alums. Many schools give a print out of their working alum at the auditions and some print out such information in their brochures. I am looking at Syracuse's Drama Dept. brochure from last year and indeed they have listed many alum working in the field. Many seem to be in acting and directing and less in MT, though their MT program is very good. As mentioned, Taye Diggs and Vanessa Williams were educated at Syracuse. There are many names here, some from the acting/directing world....like Marvin Chomsky, Frank Langella, Dorothy Loudon, Suzanne Pleshette, Arielle Tepper, Aaron Sorkin, Fred Silverman, to name just a few. </p>
<p>I don't see one graduate I know on there but he has been on Broadway in She Loves Me and has played Bob Cratchet for years in A Christmas Carol at Madison Square Garden, and now is a director in New York. He directed my daughter in a professional production of Bat Boy this summer in Vermont. His name is Nick Corley.</p>
<p>My daughter and I thought that Syracuse's program seemed very good and well balanced in musical theater. Certainly one to look into.</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>Lexismom,
If I remember correctly for NYU, just schedule the audition online. I don't recall my son receiving any "approval." I don't believe there's much flexibility at all, and the available appointments go fast--especially if you're looking for the audition with dance. The audition times are supposed to be available online 11-1 for regular decision. Good luck!</p>
<p>Lexismom, congrats to your child on the academic admission to OCU. </p>
<p>Jasmom, I think Lexismom is referring to Steinhardt, not Tisch, which must have a different audition procedure/process. You are right that Tisch has no prior academic approval before auditioning and the dates and procedure for auditions are different from Steinhardt. Thought I would clear that up because at first I also misunderstood and it did not make sense for Tisch but I really think her D is going for Steinhardt.
Susan</p>
<p>Good clarification. I panicked FOR Lexismom, hopefully saving her from having to panic herself. Didn't think that one through.<br>
Congrats Lex, on your d's successes so far. And good luck on audition.</p>
<p>We know two Syracuse boys who have been in Rent. Brian Gligor was in one of the non-Equity tours and Colin Hanlon is in the Broadway cast. Colin has also done The Last Five Years and tick,tick...BOOM!, in addition to Pirates of Penzance. If I'm not mistaken he was also involved in the workshops of Wicked and Taboo. Very talented young man. Syracuse has a very well-respected program.</p>
<p>Jasmom -</p>
<p>Yes, Soosievt was correct - she is waiting to hear from Steinhardt. I appreciate the concern, lots to keep track of.</p>
<p>Lexismom</p>
<p>Hi, I have been enjoying myself reading all the posts for the last few weeks...wish I had known about this site when my oldest D was auditioning for MT 5 years ago! Now my youngest is on the audition merry-go-round and I actually have a question that I hope someone can answer for my D's best friend: I know NYU has regional auditions, but they will not tell her where or when yet, (she needs Las Vegas, Los Angeles or San Francisco). Does anyone know if NYU has the same regional audition dates as the other MT schools or if they have additional dates or even dates altogether different? Thanks for any info you can provide!</p>
<p>NYU will be in the same five cities they always go to: Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, L.A., and San Francisco. Regionals will be in the month of February. Exact dates will be available as of December 1.</p>
<p>alwaysamom-</p>
<p>thanks for the information-- it helped my D's friend make up her mind about the time and place for her NYU audition!</p>
<p>Hey cindy013. I'm gonna be at the U of M auditions on the 18th too! I guess i'll see you there!</p>
<p>Just FYI...</p>
<p>There are no more auditions being accepted at OCU for Saturday, November 19th.</p>
<p>There are still slots for Friday, November 18th.</p>
<p>OCUMTinfo</p>
<p>Hello, pehaps you can answer this question. My d is scheduled for an audition at OCU in a couple of weeks. She has all of her material prepared, however, she has a question regarding the songs. I don't believe it states in web site how long ie, 16, 32 bars, 90 secs. you need of the song. She knows the entire song but if not able to sing the whole song, she may not be able to sing what section she believes is the best for her. Do they cut you in the middle of the song or should she prepare the best 32 bars?</p>
<p>Lexismom</p>
<p>Hi Lexismom..</p>
<p>I'm glad we'll be seeing your D at OCU soon! Here's the answer for your daughter's audition song question (from Mary Mowry): She should know the whole song and also have appropriate cuts of 16 and/or 32 bars if asked. But, most importantly, she should know the whole song.</p>
<p>For those who might be interested, you can find the OCU Auditon Requirements here:
<a href="http://www.okcu.edu/music/audition_info.asp#graduate%5B/url%5D">http://www.okcu.edu/music/audition_info.asp#graduate</a></p>
<p>does anyone know exactly how spots in any MT college are filled? By that i mean specifically pertaining to ED as opposed to RD. Are ED spots filled before all RD auditions are completed and thereby obviously leaving less spots for RD kids, or do the schools wait until all the auditions are finished (usually by the end of February, right?) and then tell ED kids first and wait to tell RD kids until april? I suppose a school could conceivably fill their entire quota with ED kids if enough apply and are what the school is looking for? i am just wondering how this all works because of course it could narrow down the playing field even further for RD kids, and might just cause them to think of adding another safety or match school to their list. again, as always, thank you for any information you can share</p>
<p>Most of the schools with audition requirements indicate that ED isn't an option for the theater/MT/music majors.</p>
<p>however, when D#1 auditioned at Michigan in either Jan or Feb (I cant remember now, it was so long ago!),all the kids were told at the onset that some of the slots had already been filled, presumably by either ED applicants or by kids who auditioned days earlier than my D, (this was never made clear), so everyone in my daughters audition group in essence were auditioning for even fewer spots than they had anticipated. was this because of ED or do most (some, few) MT programs fill their slots as they audition? I know that my D did not hear from Michigan until May but her best friend heard negatively only 1 week after he auditioned in Jan or Feb, so obviously they were holding onto my D's decision for sometime. Conversely, were they also saying yes to kids right away as well, and filling their slots as the months of auditioning went on? do other schools do that?</p>
<p>The schools which do have E.D. do fill spots before R.D. kids start their auditions. I'm not sure how many do have E.D. but I do know that Tisch does. The E.D. kids are auditioning this month at Tisch and will have a decision around December 15. R.D. kids will not start auditions until after the Christmas holidays, in January and February and will not hear til April 1. The year that my D auditioned, she did it E.D., and I believe, they took about 1/3 of their class early.</p>
<p>There are also some schools which do rolling admissions so that is another way that spots can be filled before everyone finishes auditioning. I'm not familiar with which schools do that but I'm sure someone here can fill you in.</p>
<p>Admittedly admissions to an MT BFA program differs from regular college admissions in several ways, not the least of which is in the percentage of students admitted (see today's New York Times Education Life supplement for some eye-opening numbers, e.g. lowest overall admit rate of all US colleges is Yale at 10%). I know that NYU offers a formal ED option to MT students applying to either Tisch or Steinhardt but while there may be other MT programs that offer this BINDING option, I am not aware of them. As you mentioned, there are, however, several programs that conduct rolling admissions or let students know their admissions status in fairly short order. People have reported that a few programs, Milliken comes to mind, where students may even be told of an acceptance on the spot!</p>
<p>With regard to Michigan, this is one program I can discuss first hand as my D is a sophomore MT and I've now lived through one admissions cycle and had my D give me hard information about a second. Michigan does utilize a rolling admissions system but I feel pretty safe in saying that the MT department stretches out the notification procedure more often than the rest of the University. When students are invited to audition at UM they have already passed a University academic review, meaning they have essentially been admitted to UM academically. My understanding from the year my D auditioned was that less than half of those who applied for MT were invited to audition. When a student auditions, they are told that they will hear SOMETHING from the department within 4-6 weeks after the audition. This could be a YES (admitted), a NO (turned down - I HATE the word rejected.......) or a MAYBE (deferred until more auditions have been seen). Students auditioning more toward the end of the audition cycle are occasionally put on a waitlist but my understanding is that it is highly rare for a student to gain admission from this list. I know there were none taken from the waitlist the last two years. The first UM audition date is November and although it has happened, it is unusual for a student to gain direct admission from this audition date. The truth is that they just haven't seen enough of their applicants at this point. The next best outcome from this audition date is being deferred. Students are often subsequently accepted (and also, unfortunately, turned down) having been deferred after any of the audition dates, November included, but there is no set time after which you will hear.The bulk of UM auditions take place in January and February. The year my D auditioned, most students DID hear something within the 4-6 week time frame after their audition. My D was accepted as a result of her mid-January audition and heard two weeks later. Two of her friends from the CMU pre-college program the previous summer were deferred within 2 weeks and then accepted a few weeks after the deferrals. I would hazard a guess and say that maybe a third to a half of her class was accepted "immediately" (hearing anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks post audition) and the rest were deferred and then accepted, a few as late as mid April. Last year they seemed to handle things a bit differently. Fewer students were accepted immediately and many who auditioned seemed to have to wait longer to hear whether they had been accepted, turned down or deferred. I believe these changes, while very hard on the students and families, were made in order to help control class size. In the past, the program's experience was that if they accepted around 30 students, they would end up with a class of 20. Then two years ago they accepted 30 students and 29 came! With my D's class I believe they accepted 26 and her class has 24 students plus one double major in MT/VP. Last year my D was told they accepted 23 and the class has 21 students, including one transfer student. So bottom line, although UM has rolling admissions, it rolls faster for some than others. But I believe that while a few students are accepted earlier in the audition season, they manage the process so as to admit the students they want the most - you have just as good a chance to be admitted with a February audition as the November one. With regard to scholarship at UM, there is not a tremendous amount available (although Musicalthtrmom's talented D who is a VP major got an amazing scholarship) and those decisions are not considered until late March. I have no hard info about financial aid.</p>
<p>The only other MT program I know of with rolling admissions is Penn State. Emerson offers Early Action auditions in early December with notification in 2-4 weeks. The admission offer is non-binding.</p>
<p>I hope I haven't made this sound more complicated than it is. I'm happy to answer questions if there are some. As always, I hope this helps.</p>
<p>Sareccasmom, each school's process differs and the best thing to do is to find out about EACH one on your daughter's list. I know how it works at the ones my D applied to and they were a bit different. </p>
<p>Only two schools on my D's list had ED and they were NYU and Syracuse. NYU's ED is like at any regular college's ED as it is binding and the students are informed of the admissions decision on Dec. 15. My daughter had many friends get into Tisch via ED. My daughter applied RD, however. So, yes, there were slots already filled in the ED round. This is true at ED schools. You'd have to find out from each school, what percent of the class is filled via ED. </p>
<p>Some schools have a rolling type of admissions where the decisions of who gets into the BFA program are made as the audition season goes on and so some slots are filled before all the auditions are over. For instance, this was true at Ithaca. My daughter found out she got in about two weeks after her late Jan. audition and the school was not done auditioning. UMich is a bit like this too. They do NOT have ED by the way for the BFA program at UMich. At UMich, you may be informed of the decision within a few weeks of your audition and before all audition dates are done. However, sometimes they do hold onto some kids and don't render a decision on them until they've seen more kids. If they are positive they want you, I suppose they make the offer before auditions are done. Rejection letters also can come a few weeks after your audition, or you may not hear at all for a while as they wait to see more kids. </p>
<p>At other schools, everyone finds out in late March or April 1. This was true at Syracuse (not counting those who were admitted in Dec. in the ED round), Penn State, Boston Conservatory, CMU, and Emerson. </p>
<p>BUT Emerson also has Early Action. Early Action is like Early Decision in that you apply/audition early and get a decision in Dec. but it is NOT binding. My D did EA to Emerson to just have one school audition done earlier and to hear from one school earlier since most of her schools replied MUCH later in the year. Emerson, however, takes VERY few in the EA round because they said (directly) that they don't want to fill many slots in their BFA program until they see everyone. They accepted a few then, rejected many, and then deferred some until they could see the rest of the applicants. They also had one other "version" and that is what happened to my daughter which was she was accepted to Emerson in EA in Dec. and deferred on the BFA until April. They told me that a very small number were on that pile. So, basically in the EA round, they take a FEW kids, send out the rejections to the rest, and then keep a small pile who are accepted to the college but deferred for the BFA until the RD round.</p>
<p>These are just some variations and do not include the schools my own child did not apply to. I can see that there are many schools, however, that have a two prong approach that are discussed on here where the student finds out early on that they are admitted academically and then still have to audition to get into the BFA and also may find out the BFA decision as the year goes on and not in April. I seem to be reading of such processes at OCU, Point Park, Otterbein, Baldwin Wallace and others but you'd have to check specifically with the schools or ask those here who applied to those as I don't have the first hand information on those and shared what I knew of my D's list of schools. </p>
<p>Your best bet is to check with each school on their procedure. You can read about it or call and also they usually describe it on the visits or audition day. The other thing is to mention the school here and people who have applied to those schools will know the answer.</p>
<p>Susan</p>