<p>I found this UF admissions site that has charts showing the admission rate based on different criteria (ie SAT, GPA, etc...)</p>
<p>University</a> of Florida - Admissions</p>
<p>This is probably a good way to find out your admission changes.</p>
<p>You know the odd thing about that link is that is shows the 2007 kids had better credentials...GPA and SAT-wise. It is not obvious <em>at all</em> to me why people say UF is getting harder to get into...there may be more applicants, but the stats are not obviously getting better. That is true, by the way, if you go shift through the Common Datasets as well (which..strangely..have different numbers than the ones posted by admissions).</p>
<p>^ I am not a fan of the current Dean of Admissions. Tomlawsky's research tipped my view his way. Before I was rather indifferent to UF's admissions practices.</p>
<p>rogracer
Not sure what stats you are looking at but the 2008 figures clearly show a more selective class than 2007 both in GPA & SAT.</p>
<p>Re: GPA
The rates from 3.7 up (37.4% > 32.2%) to 4.0 and above (87.5% > 85.7%) are UP in both categories.
The rates for 3.69 down (10.9% < 15.5%) to below 3.3 (2.8% < 6.1%) are DOWN in both categories.</p>
<p>Clearly a more selective GPA</p>
<p>Re: SAT
The scores from 1200 - 1390 (57.6% > 54.9%) and 1400 - 1600 (88.2% > 87.9%) are UP in both categories.
The scores from 1000-1190 (23.9% < 29.1%) and below 1000 (11.9% < 18.6%) are DOWN in both categories.</p>
<p>Clearly a more selective SAT.</p>
<p>Are you sure you were'nt looking at them backwards?</p>
<p>He may have been talking about the Middle 50% stats... not quite sure.</p>
<p>Class of 2008
High School GPA of 4.0 - 4.4
SAT of 1210 - 1400
ACT of 26 - 31</p>
<p>Class of 2007
High School GPA of 4.0 - 4.4
SAT of 1210 - 1440
ACT of 26 - 31</p>
<p>Class of 2006
High School GPA of 3.9 - 4.4
SAT of 1220 - 1390
ACT of 26 - 31</p>
<p>xNYer...I think you have it backwards. Those are the admit rates...so higher numbers are <em>less</em> selective.</p>
<p>Don't worry next year we are planning on admitting 1,000 less students. Our SAT should get a jump like FSU's did this year.</p>
<p>--The future is still bright</p>
<p>xNYer...I think you have it backwards. Those are the admit rates...</p>
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<p>Exactly!!! That means that UF is admitting more people with GPAs and SAT scores in the higher bracket and admitting less people with GPAs and SAT scores in the lower bracket. That is an indication of a shift towards higher admissions.</p>
<p>But UF admissions are putting less and less emphasis on SAT scores. They want to eventually get to the point where they could cherry pick students (not based on SAT and GPA only) based on academic potential that fit a certain student body that the school wants to mold. The best schools in the country are the ones that least emphasis GPA and SAT when it comes to admissions. Think about it. If UF wanted to maximize their SAT and GPA scores, they'd sort out the students based on those criteria and just give the top 10,000 admission letters.</p>
<p>For 2008, they admitted more kids [percentage] with higher GPAs at the expense of lower GPAs. The same trend can be witnessed regarding SATs.</p>
<p>It's harder to get in to because more people are applying and they're accepting less people. Their admissions process no longer guarantees admission to anyone, really.</p>
<p>What are you guys talking about? Looking at GPA as an example (SAT conclusion is similar): in 2008 there was a 87.5% admit rate for people with a 4.0 and above. In 2007, there was a 85.7% admit rate. In other words, there was a 87.5% chance of admission for people with over a 4.0 in 2008. In 2007, there was only a 85.7% chance of admission. How is that "getting harder"??</p>
<p>...I might also add that if you rummage through the CDS, you will find that percent of students in the top-10% has been decreasing as well. It is now in the mid 70s....and was in the 80s a few years ago.</p>
<p>I think it is a myth that UF admissions is harder now. The only metric that supports that it is "harder" is the acceptance rate because of additional applicants...but that hasn't translated into better students that I can see. Prove me wrong.</p>
<p>More applicants + less acceptances = harder to get into. End story.</p>
<p>In such cases, there's more pressure to make yourself look the absolute best you can to be in the top of that larger applicant pool.</p>
<p>The reason the percentage shifted can be seen in the lower GPAs. They accepted a lower percentage in 2008 of people with lower grades. In 2007, they accepted 15.9% of applicants with 3.3-3.69 GPA. In 2008, they accepted 10.9% of applicants with this same credential. They accepted more high-achieving students at the expense of lower ones, as it should be.</p>
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but that hasn't translated into better students that I can see.
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Higher SAT's/GPA don't translate into better students either. While I cannot speculate on whether or not UF's overall student body is getting better, I can say that many of the best schools turn down people with perfect SAT's/GPA's all the time because they're nothing beyond their stats.</p>
<p>If I may also speculate, I believe much more so than in the past people are applying to schools they don't believe they can get into.</p>
<p>"The reason the percentage shifted can be seen in the lower GPAs. They accepted a lower percentage in 2008 of people with lower grades. In 2007, they accepted 15.9% of applicants with 3.3-3.69 GPA. In 2008, they accepted 10.9% of applicants with this same credential. They accepted more high-achieving students at the expense of lower ones, as it should be."</p>
<p>That is exactly why it has become hard to get into UF. They are accepting more students with higher scores and less students with lower scores.</p>
<p>Also, I disagree with xNYer's analysis. If the percentage of people admitted with the highest X statistic INCREASES from 07 to 08, then by that criterion the school is less selective. Compared with '07, UF admitted a higher percentage of people FROM THE GROUPS having the qualities of gpa > 4.0 and SAT 1400-1600.</p>
<p>"Also, I disagree with xNYer's analysis. If the percentage of people admitted with the highest X statistic INCREASES from 07 to 08, then by that criterion the school is less selective. Compared with '07, UF admitted a higher percentage of people FROM THE GROUPS having the qualities of gpa > 4.0 and SAT 1400-1600."</p>
<p>Would you say a university is harder, for a given student population, to get into if they accept more students with higher scores and less students with lower scores? Or if they accept less students with higher scores and less students with higher scores?</p>
<p>I think you meant in your last line "less students with higher scores and more students with lower scores." And that would depend on your perspective. If you are a student with lower stats and can't get in because the stats needed to get in have gone up .... well, then you'd consider it more difficult, of course. On the other hand, if you are a student with fabulous scores and you find you're losing out to "holistic," etc., then you'd feel that this systems is bogusly flawed. <g> I know we would. I never do these chance threads, but if I had to predict my d's chances of getting into UF, I'd say, "90 percent," based on common data sets, etc. However, it's that 10 percent perception that things might go absolutely nutty with the admission process ... it's that perception that's making us, and others, feel as though this is a crapshoot. </g></p>
<p>zebes</p>
<p>OK...I see where you guys are coming from...for <em>low achievers</em>, there is now less chance of being admitted. However, the fact still remains that for SAT > 1200 and GPA > 3.7 students, there was LESS of a chance of being admitted in 2007 than in 2008. Also, there is a downward trend in top-10% students. On balance, I'm not convinced that the school is becoming more selective. It is true the acceptance rate is going down (more students applying)...but that is a poor measure of school's selectivity, as has been pointed out many times......</p>
<p>Spend some time in the CDS over the years...you will be hard pressed to say UF is really getting any harder to get into based on GPAs, SATs and class rank...as flawed as those metrics may be, they are the best we have.</p>
<p>I went to a seminar that was hosted by the UF admissions office and the person giving the presentation said that their goal was to put LESS emphasis on GPA and SAT and more emphasis on all the other criteria.</p>
<p>If UF only cared about SAT and GPA scores then they would have sent acceptance letters to only the highest scorers.</p>
<p>I respect the "holistic review" process...but I would hope things like GPA/SAT/rank could show upward trends <em>and</em> include students with exceptional non-traditional skills and backgrounds in order to exploit the expanded applicant pool to best effect.</p>