<p>There was an article stating that president Machin states the SAT was a 1293, but I haven't seen it verified. Anyone seen this listed anywhere else. It states on the FSU website that the FSU freshman SAT was bumped to 1265 this year, so it seems logical that UF would see a nice bump, too. I think that an average SAT of 1300 might go a ways in increasing the public image of the university. it just sounds more sexy than 1275, 1295, even 1299 much the same way that 400 horsepower sounds sexier than 397 even though statistically, they are the same. This is one way, in my opinion to increase peer assessment. Of course, I could be wrong, as I think Tufts has the same peer assessment as UF and they have a 1415 average SAT, which to me is a glaring example of how retarded the peer assessment really is.</p>
<p>Doubt if UF sees the same bump. FSU cut freshman admissions by 20%. I'm not aware UF made the same move.</p>
<p>Parent2Noles- I am sorry to rain on your parade, but at least for now, it seems that UF stays ahead in the SAT race. </p>
<p>"As UF starts its fall semester today, UF President Bernie Machen has labeled the freshmen class as the university’s most talented crop ever. UF’s entering class earned an average high school GPA of 4.18 and SAT score of 1293, both record-high levels."</p>
<p>Im having a tough time understanding where these different numbers are coming from.
I have always relied on the colleges published common data sets for what I thought was accurate enrollment information.
Again - ENROLLED not ACCEPTED #s.</p>
<p>If you look at FSUs 2007-2008 data set for ENROLLED freshmen you get;
LINK: <a href="http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Common_Data_Set/2007-08/C.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Common_Data_Set/2007-08/C.html</a></p>
<p>Bottom 25% SAT- 1090
Upper 75% SAT- 1270</p>
<p>Is not the average then a 1180 ??</p>
<p>Where did the article below get its 1261?
81 point difference!!</p>
<p>If you look at UFs 2007-2008 data set for ENROLLED freshmen you get;</p>
<p>Bottom 25% SAT- 1140
Upper 75% SAT- 1360</p>
<p>Is not the average then a 1250 ??</p>
<p>Where did the article below get its 1293?
43 point difference!!</p>
<p>LINK:
Lawmakers</a> failing to save universities - St. Petersburg Times</p>
<p>LINK: Office</a> of Institutional Planning and Research - Common Data Set: First-Time, First-Year Admission</p>
<p>Just to double-check myself I went to the US Dept. of Education website where those exact numbers are confirmed.</p>
<p>LINK: College</a> Navigator - Compare Institutions</p>
<p>So by what math is FSU getting 1261 vs. 1180
And UF getting 1293 vs. 1250</p>
<p>ALSO, per the 2008 USNWR UFs numbers are listed the same 1140-1360
While FSUs were actually different with 1070-1250 in USNWR vs. 1090-1270 in the CDS.</p>
<p>Exactly how much rounding up is going on here?</p>
<p>From their Common Data Sets:
For ENROLLED students:</p>
<p>2005-2006
Bottom 25%- 1070
Upper 75%- 1250</p>
<p>2006-2007
Bottom 25%- 1070
Upper 75%- 1250</p>
<p>2007-2008
Bottom 25%- 1090 (UP 20 pts)
Upper 75%- 1270 (UP 20 pts)</p>
<p>Assume the same 20 pt bump?</p>
<p>From the 2007-2008 data set for ENROLLED students.</p>
<p>Bottom 25%- 1140 + 20 = 1160 (projected)
Upper 75%- 1360+ 20 = 1380 (projected)</p>
<p>Average 1270 SAT projected.</p>
<p>Those ARE top 10 Public University SAT numbers.</p>
<p>Well, you really can't average the 25 and 27 percentile numbers and use that as the overall average. They can be drastically different. The average of the percentiles won't give you anything more than ballpark numbers.</p>
<p>That may somewhat explain the UF numbers because the number being quoted of 1293 is actually 67 points below the Upper SAT 75% number of 1360.</p>
<p>But for FSU the number being quoted of 1261 is substaintially closer (9 points)to their Upper 75% SATof 1270.</p>
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<p>To have 25% of your incoming class within an SAT range of 9 points would be an astounding coincidence, to say the least. I suspect at least one of those numbers is wrong.</p>
<p>Per this link it is clear that the numbers FSU is using in the media are "ACCEPTED" numbers.</p>
<p>About</a> FSU's Students</p>
<p>Totally meaningless numbers since ENROLLED numbers are 81 points below the "ACCEPTED" numbers.</p>
<p>I don't mean this to be a UF vs. FSU thread.</p>
<p>I just want to point out that you need to be aware of what numbers REALLY say. All schools seem to play this game.</p>
<p>To throw in another variable, that said Fall. On the UF website you can get the detailed statistics of the Summer versus Fall FTICs and Summer generally is a good bit lower than Fall. I notice the Common Data Set tells them to include Summer and Fall. So there could be some differences there in what they are reporting.</p>
<p>Post #4 outlines the classes of 2007-2008, and President Machin was quoting the class entering 2008-2009. The full common data sets for 08-09 are not up yet. And the average SAT cannot just be calculated with only the bottom 25% top 25% numbers.</p>
<p>SunnyFL is correct. The new numbers are not posted yet. The 1265 average SAT for FSU is posted here: FSU</a> Highlights</p>
<p>I did not say FSU's average had exceeded UF's average for the most recent period. I said UF was not likely to see the same 47-point increase as FSU due to FSU's dropping of the lowest scoring 20% of the recent freshman applicants. UF has not done the same as far as I can tell. This is why FSU has an approximate 47 point increase in SAT average.</p>
<p>What is fair to say is that FSU is returning to a more normal parity with UF in terms of FTIC quality. The disparity of recent years (in UF's advantage) is, I would suggest, an anomaly.</p>
<p>I don't think that FSU is taking from UF, but more that their is a greater spill over of 1250 SAT scores than ever before.</p>
<p>I think more student are choosing to attend FSU over UCF, USF, FIU, and FAU. Basically FSU is a "Big Name University" and they do not want to attend a Regional Insititution.</p>
<p>Florida students are becoming better informed and they will not be tricked by fancy dorms. They want the entire college experience.</p>
<p>parent2noles, I would expect a 47 or so point increase for UF if they cut enrollment like FSU did.</p>
<p>UF said this year that they intended on cutting 4,000 Undergraduates over the next 4 years. So in the future we should have even more outstanding incoming classes (heck we might even rival UNC-Chapel Hill in the near future).</p>
<p>^^^But FSU cut over 1000 freshman and UF is cutting more transfers, so UF my not see that great a hike in SAT scores accepted or enrolled freshman. </p>
<p>I would love to have a Florida school rival UNC-CH or UVa. But that is NOT going to happen until they raise tuition and significantly cut class size. I am also not a fan of the number of online classes UF offers.</p>
<p>UF could easily surpass the stats for UVA & UNC-CH.
All UF would need to do is cut it's udergraduate enrollment by 50% to match the UG class size of those schools.
Both those schools are suprisingly small for state institutions. (Or is UF surprisingly large?)</p>
<p>College</a> Navigator - Compare Institutions</p>
<p>That however will never happen.</p>
<p>UF has about 16k graduate/professional students - Which is a great thing. However this institution also has over 35k undergraduates which is too large in my opinion. The problem is the Legislature awards funding based on the total number of Undergraduate students. </p>
<p>Ever wonder why unestablished schools like UCF & FIU have well over 45k students? It's in their interest to bloat up these universities to such unrealistic proportions.</p>
<p>Overall the Legislature REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE the funding formula. Basically we are financing them like it's the 1960's. I swear we have a bunch of yahoo's running how we run higher education in our state...</p>
<p>"But that is NOT going to happen until they raise tuition and significantly cut class size."</p>
<p>Well what I was trying to say is that we would have FTIC classes that could rival these schools. But lets make clear the quality won't be on their level until we get our funding under control. We have some heavy lifting but it's more than do'able!</p>