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Looks kinda legit, but I'll definitely wait for the real thing.</p>
<p>Could Georgetown be this year's Chicago? That'd be nice.</p>
<p>Not that it matters much anyway...
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<p>could someone explain.</p>
<p>Chicago moved up 5 spots last year (a huge increase when in the top 20). Georgetown moved up considerably from last year according to this ranking, so a comparison was made. Of course, this is all with the assumption that these rankings are correct, which they are not.</p>
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Yes, madamebovary, and you probably don't care about the rankings at all, right?</p>
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I surely do hope that Pitzer will jump up a little
i mean admission rate was so low this year- 26%</p>
<p>My question for you: "will usc finally beat ucla in the ranking?"
Berk: still #1 public hands down
The fact is, everyone knows the rankings don't mean much (if anything), but everyone (including you) can't help but be a little bit curious about them.
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all right you caught me red handed ;)
im sorry its just that so many people have posted i found the leaked version of
us news ranking that i got annoyed.</p>
<p>but seeing columbia that high up should be no suprise. why, because wasnt their selectivity like crazy low this year?</p>
<p>Haha, I don't think anyone's particularly losing much sleep over these rankings, if they're true. A few tremors, but no earth-shaking surprises.</p>
<p>Of course, us Princetonians certainly don't mind ;).</p>
<p>Haha, no hard feelings, madamebovary. I know how you feel.</p>
<p>And I agree that Columbia deserves to go up a few spots. In my opinion, it should be above Penn.</p>
<p>Why is it that posts like these seem to always come from brand new members? I smell a crook.</p>
<p>Columbia should deff be ranked ahead of Penn.</p>
<p>Troll!
It's a brand new member too...
Harvard isn't 3rd.</p>
<p>just keep telling that to yourself... ;)</p>
<p>This thread = yet more xoxo fodder.</p>
<p>LACs anyone?</p>
<p>All I know is that Wesleyan is #9, if the rankings I'm recalling are correct. :)</p>
<p>uchris, and why is that? What makes Columbia better than Penn?</p>
<p>peer assesment, selectivity, prestige and history, etc. im not biased. i dont attend either. However, i think in general, columbia is the fourth most prestigious ivy, behind HYP. You can disagree all you want. This is simply my opinion. But i imagine if you ask most individuals, they would likely agree that Columbia is more prestigious than Penn. While I know that prestige doesnt neces correlate to higher rankings, but i would imagine columbia's students have somewhat higher stats, although im sure the difference is not large at all, as both are top ten universities and members of the ivy league. i dont know the cross admit rate and yield rank, but between the two I would imagine that the majority students accepted at both would choose Columbia. You disagree or feel that Penn is the better school than Columbia? I imagine you are going to say it matters on what area you are studying (wharton for example), but i am talking about as a university as a whole. i can tell you on the west coast the columbia name carries a lot more weight than does Penn. That doesnt meen Penn is a worse university per say, but that is deff some to note, since many individuals at that level consider prestige to be an important factor in college selection.</p>
<p>I'll second that comment about Columbia on the West Coast... not only do people here confuse Penn and Penn State, but most of the time they think it's the same school, or haven't really heard of either.</p>
<p>It's interesting that Penn has been ranked over Columbia by US News for 10 straight years ( <a href="http://chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php?category=Universities&orgs=&sort=2007%5B/url%5D">http://chronicle.com/stats/usnews/index.php?category=Universities&orgs=&sort=2007</a> ), yet you guys think that Columbia still has more prestige on the West Coast. Not that US News is authoritative in any way, but it is the most widely known ranking and must have some effect on relative prestige over time, don't you think? And although it's not necessarily undergrad, Penn's business and medical schools are generally ranked in the top 3, a few notches above Columbia's. You'd think that that would have some effect on perceptions over time.</p>
<p>But something must be going right for Penn's undergrad prestige out west--it now gets more applications from California than from any other state in the country ( <a href="http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/07/26/News/Stetson.Resigns.As.Dean.Of.Admissions-2927410.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/07/26/News/Stetson.Resigns.As.Dean.Of.Admissions-2927410.shtml</a> ).</p>
<p>Old order dies hard. Columbia was long considered right up there with Harvard and Yale but had its share of setbacks. Penn was long considered the worst ivy and consistently ranked at the back of the pack but has made great strides and now consistently outranks all ivies but Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. Columbia, at the same time, continues to hold its own as a fantastic university. At some point it becomes silly to say that one is better than the other, and I think we've reached that point. The difference in overall score between Columbia and Penn really isn't that much.</p>
<p>the people here are mostly douchebags</p>
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<p>I agree. I was just surprised at the statements that Columbia is still much more highly regarded on the West Coast, and that Penn is hardly known, given that Penn apparently holds its own now among college applicants there. For example, Penn has been the third most popular destination (after UC Berkeley and USC) for graduates of L.A.'s Harvard-Westlake School for the last 15 years, with 214 going to Penn compared to 154 going to Columbia (Wesleyan's the #1 most popular LAC, by the way):</p>
<p>While we agree on certain things, I don't think such data (that concerning Harvard-Westlake) reveals anything concerning whether more students want to go to Penn or Columbia as we only have a total number and not the number that applied. Columbia is known for being harder to get into which may account for the difference. At the same time, the data is enough to refute any claim that Penn is not known on the West Coast, so I applaud you for bringing helpful data in rather than mere opinion.</p>