600/600 SAT needed to get past the preliminary application?

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<p>rjrzoom, I'm sorry I couldn't follow your post as it was a bit disjointed. Frequent paragraph breaks are helpful to the reader when writing lenghty posts. If you can briefly clarify your thoughts I'd be happy to give it another shot.</p>

<p>I still think Extra Instruction is not a helpful selling point. The practice is ripe for abuse. Fall asleep in class? EI Don't feel like studying? EI Mind wanders in class? EI Don't want to take notes? EI Lose your notes? EI Play too much Halo? EI In the wrong major? EI ....</p>

<p>Perhaps the SAs should consider adding a 5th year to attain a degree. Eliminate EI and give the students adequate time study in depth. That would be cool and it would be interesting to see how such a change would affect the quality of the student body.</p>

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<p>GoNavyXC - those 12,000 apps are not all viable. What about people who drop their files because of medical or physical conditions? I personally know two who opened files and then dropped because of asthma. Did not even schedule an interview with their Congressman.</p>

<p>Re: MIT's admission stats. Fully no one in that class was ranked lower than the top 20% of their class. (That includes the few unfortunate kids who scored lower than 600 in the math section on the SAT.) Perhaps those outliers are enrolled in the humanities, arts and social sciences at MIT.</p>

<p>Shiloh, having noted the warning tacked by the CC mods on the NA forum, pours a double of a good single malt (neat), and awaits attacks on all fronts both relevant and interesting and knee jerk and apparently visceral.</p>

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<p>Shiloh, it sounds like you would have really benefited from some EI in reading comprehension. It’s a pity they don’t have it at Harvard. Or is this simply a case in which you should really consider pouring a bit less malt before you read and respond? </p>

<p>Regardless of the circumstances of your condition, you may rest assured I will take your situation under advisement the next time I draft a response to one of your posts. I will use lots of page breaks and also limit myself to single syllable words so that our communication will be both productive and beneficial to each of us. After all, that’s why we’re here……right? </p>

<p>If you want to continue this nonsense, please feel free to PM me as there is no point in wasting this space for what you are trying to accomplish.</p>

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<p>Is that you "confused" ?</p>

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The Naval Academy does ask what other institutions you were accepted to on its application. I remember filling this part out on the application.

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posted by GoNavyXC</p>

<p>You have a very poor memory. The Application, as I am looking at the copy that I printed out, never asks where you have been accepted. DAH - how many people do you know have been accepted anywhere yet when we all filled out our applications in the Summer before our Senior year of high school? There was not even a question as to Where Else are you APPLYING. Many of the schools I applied to at least asked that question but not USNA. </p>

<p>On the Accept or Decline the offer of appointment form there was a blank that if you declined what where your plans - No where on the acceptance part of the form did it ever ask where else you had been accepted.</p>

<p>So by that information the best that the Academy could possibly know if who they lost to other institutions. There is not information contained on either the application or acceptance that tells the Academy who they "beat out" for a student. </p>

<p>Your resounding argument lacks real merit. For every You Personally know - I can claim I personally know the opposite to be true. I know plenty of Mids who never to go to EI - one ranked in the top 1% of the class of 2010 - that would be OOM - He is #1 in AOM. He also was accepted to an Ivy and many of the top LAC's. </p>

<p>Do you really think the priors NAPS should be "blamed" for low SAT scores? I know a couple of priors that had well about the 700's. Nobody but admissions really knows "who" those below 600 are and where they came from.</p>

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you'll see that most of the selective ones have only the best to choose from.
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So you are admitting the USNA does not have only the best to choose from - they had to take "less" to fill the class.</p>

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to say that the average midshipman could not survive the "elite" college climate is absurd.

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LOL!
The top would have no problem surviving at one of the LAC's or Ivies - the "average" wouldn't last a year academically. </p>

<p>It does not say much about our educational system that Colleges and Universities need to offer EI or even worse remedial classes. </p>

<p>Shilo is correct about the 12000 are not all viable candidates - I too know of a few who completed the application, so they are technically in the pool of 12000, didn't get a nomination because they didn't want one - went to NASS and blew off even applying for Nominations. </p>

<p>GONavyXC - by your name do you run XC for the Academy - given that your PRT ranking indicates that you are not very athletic? I know a few of the guys on the XC team so I am very curious.</p>

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<p>Just stopping by, but fligirl89, I think the Academy does collect information about other schools to which their midshipmen got accepted. Once you accept an appointment, the paperwork doesn't stop, and it is in filling out they myriad of forms and completing online surveys that this information is solicited and supplied. Since, I think, you decided not to accept an appointment, you would have no way of knowing this.</p>

<p>Plus, it's just goofy to engage in discussions of who would last where and how long. SAT scores don't measure motivation, and motivation is by far a better predictor of success than most anything else. Most any Mid who wanted to succeed at an Ivy would, and most any Ivy leaguer who wanted to succeed at a Service Academy would.</p>

<p>Finally, ALL schools offer EI. At civilian schools it's called "Office Hours". Most schools also offer "remedial" courses. Usually, they are there to help people who need to take an out-of-major course to fulfill some kind of core requirement. Engineers don't take "Physics for Poets", English majors do. If this doesn't happen at a school, it's usually because they have no graduation requirements outside a student's major. </p>

<p>Just trying to be helpful. ;-)</p>

<p>Hope everyone has a great Navy day.</p>

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<p>^^^^Wrong! I accepted early and then let USNA know I was not coming once I had decided on Stanford. So yah me bad but you do what you have to do when ya need to do it.</p>

<p>anyway never saw the question asked in any of the tons of stuff I completed for USNA</p>

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<p>^^^^ fligirl is correct. I looked through all of my Mids paperwork - kept copies of everything that he signed and he brought home at the end of Plebe year every thing that he had signed on ID and beyond and there was not one document that ever asked for acceptances to other institutions. The only place that I saw this asked was on the bottom of the acceptance form with was also used if you were declining the appointment. That form did ask where you where going if you declined. I could not find one document in all of the myriad of forms that ever asked for where else you were accepted.</p>

<p>Most of the LAC's, major universities asked on the application where else you intended on applying. On all of my sons college acceptances that he declined for USNA they did ask - just like UNSA asked - where you were accepting. As fligirl also said no where on the application did USNA ever ask about where else an applicant was going to apply. </p>

<p>With filing out the application early in the Summer my son had not even yet formulated his "short list", not that he would have put it down on an application anyway. On the other application he left that question blank. Other institutions really had no need to know on where he was applying.</p>

<p>oops she beat me to the post!</p>

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<p>^^^Concur with Duke80 re: EI AC help, Office Hours, Peer Tutoring etc........</p>

<p>"LOL!
The top would have no problem surviving at one of the LAC's or Ivies - the "average" wouldn't last a year academically." </p>

<p>And you know this is to be true because...........?
You read concrete proof of the aforementioned posted where........?
Please post your evidence. Firm stats preferred.</p>

<p>"I too know of a few who completed the application, so they are technically in the pool of 12000, didn't get a nomination because they didn't want one - went to NASS and blew off even applying for Nominations."</p>

<p>In other words, NASS did its job, these kids got a taste of USNA and decided the rigors weren't for them. Therefore they halted the nomination process? That's good! Frees up noms for kids who really want to be there and can manage the intense academic, physical and military demands.</p>

<p>Keep in mind, all the SA's are developing professional military officers, the Ivies and LAC's are not. Apples and coconuts, IMO</p>

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<p>I feel I inadvertantly offended fligirl89 and others by suggesting that the information may have been collected via a route to which they did not have access. No offense intended.</p>

<p>The question I remember my mid answering about where else she was accepted was in the online stuff done for the Academic Dean right before I-Day. It was a multi-section submission that included details on high school coursework, language proficiency, and even involved a math test. I don't believe that there was an opportunity to print this stuff out for later review.</p>

<p>But, really, who cares? I mostly just wanted to encourage everyone to be happy with their place in space, to see that every instituiton has its strengths and weaknesses, and to stop the silly one-upsmanship (or however you spell that.)</p>

<p>It was to be my good deed for the day. Now I'll have to find something else to do. :-)</p>

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<p>Nope, you did not offend me at all :) I too did complete the online things including the math and there also was a survey. I really do not remember ever being asked where I had been accepted. I seem to remember that I did this all mid April as I got my permit to report pack around the 5th but had not yet decided not to attend. I actually waited until May1st to let Stanford know. It was a hard decision but one that I needed to make for me.</p>

<p>I have been given a hard time by a couple of kids for "not turning it down as soon as I got Stanford or Cal Tech" that I some how took a spot away from someone else. Really - not my problem.</p>

<p>My comment on "average" not doing as well has purely to do with "average SAT" When an Ivy type school has their middle SAT scores being from say 700 to 770 and USNA are in the 600's one can make an agrurement that the "Average" USNA student (by SAT score only) will probably have a more difficult time (academically) at said Ivy.</p>

<p>Yah NASS did what is supposed to do - it is a marketing tool pure and simple, no different than doing the campus visit elsewhere... maybe they plain just didn't like it, didn't like the East Coast, didn't like the other kids - just not their peeps, didn't like the food - hey that was important to me on my college visits, maybe it had nothing to do with the "rigors" whatever that may mean. The discussion had nothing to do with nominations - just that there are people in the 12000 that never completes the process yet are still in the numbers for admission applications. This is the same at every college. There are statistics and there is no way that any of us has a clue of what they really mean. They can all be inflated numbers for all we know.</p>

<p>As far as intense academics, they are no more or less intense than anywhere else and to assume they are is arrogant. I know a lot of Mids, (both with and without prior college experience) have a cousin who is a current Mid, brother who is a graduate and all say the whole intense thing and "how really hard the academics are, chemistry will kill you type attitude" is really BS. </p>

<p>I really only got into this as there were things posted above that were supposed to "get this idea to exit stage left with a resounding arguement."
There really was no resounding arguement with any concrete facts only an opinion - so I offered my own just to show (which CelticClan07 bit on) that none of us really know who - what - where is any better, or any more difficult. The students and the institutions are totally different. Neither are better than the other type. Some kids would not do well in a SA environment and Some kids would not do well in an Ivy type environment. Pretty plain and simple.</p>

<p>As far as "coconuts" Not every one who attends a LAC or IVY (or put it this way doesn't attend a SA) is two shades nuts. Lets leave it at apples and oranges. The fruits and nuts thing is really tiring. </p>

<p>I'm with you Duke80 who really cares.</p>

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<p>Thanks for clearing up your <em>opinion</em> vs. facts statement. Really wasn't certain where you were coming from. Gee, I didn't even think of the fruits & nuts analogy until you mentioned it fligirl! WOW! I have lived in the Golden State too long. :) BTW, I'm only 20 min. from Stanford, I'm sure you'll like it there. If you want a homecooked meal, PM me. Dine-in or delivery ;)</p>