<p>My son took Algebra 1 in 7th grade, Geometry in 8th, Algebra 2 in 9th, and currently taking Pre-Cal in 10th. </p>
<p>Does he meet the UC-CSU a-g requirements?
If not, can he take AP Stat in junior instead of AP Cal? And what would he need to take in senior year?</p>
<p>He is not going to math/science majors and he is struggling in Pre-Cal already. He would like to skip Calculus, but not sure if that will jeopardize his admission.</p>
<p>Thanks for any comments.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.calstate.edu/sas/publications/documents/csu-uc-a-gcomparisonmatrix.pdf[/url]”>http://www.calstate.edu/sas/publications/documents/csu-uc-a-gcomparisonmatrix.pdf</a> indicates that the “c” (math) requirement is “3 years of mathematics (algebra I and II, geometry); 4 years recommended<em>” and that “</em>Coursework completed in 7th or 8th grade can be used to satisfy “c” and “e” requirements.”</p>
<p>Calculus is not required, but he should be aware that business and economics majors typically have to take calculus (though they may be able to take an easier “calculus for business majors”). Economics majors intending to go on to PhD study in economics need a lot of math.</p>
<p>Statistics is generally useful for students in all majors (particularly the social studies majors, although statistics is good general knowledge for humanities majors), although some majors may require a more in-depth course than AP statistics.</p>
<p>Seems odd that he was accelerated two grades ahead in math if it is not is favorite or best subject.</p>
<p>Well, we were told by UCSD admissions rep that after the class of 2012, the UC’s will stop accepting anything but Algebra 1 from middle school. We were told this by a math professor friend at a CSU as well. However, I don’t really see that on the site. Not sure what is up with that. Basically, there is a chance the Geometry won’t be counted. Might be worth emailing the admissions office of the school he’s looking at. He’ll still have 3 years with Algebra I, II and pre-calc. 4 years is better. Especially if he’s looking at schools like Berkeley, UCLA or UCSD.</p>
<p>My own daughter really enjoyed Stats even though she is not a fan of math in general (but like your son, good at it and took the accelerated path as well… it happens.)</p>
<p>Note that a change for fall 2015 frosh is that UC will no longer allow precalculus or trigonometry to validate geometry. Validation means that the course is considered fulfilled after completing a higher level course with a C or higher grade, even if the lower level course is not present in the record or was completed with a D or F grade.</p>
<p>turtletime and ucbalumnus – thanks for your reply. He plans to be in psychology or computer majors. Still undecided. He wants UCSB, not sure if that’s tough to get in. </p>
<p>His counselor wants him to take AP Cal regardless, but he is not good in math overall. He is afraid he may not pass it, so he wants to take AP Stat instead. The 3-4 yrs math requirements is really confusing to me. We are not sure if he takes AP Stat in 11th grade, what will he need to take in 12th, or does he require to take any more math in 12th at all. From the link, it seems he is fine with Pre-Cal. But his counselor just told me he has to take AP Cal or he won’t be able to get accepted. </p>
<p>I think I will contact UCSB and see what they have to say.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice.</p>
<p>Sorry but I don’t quite understand it… do you mean that since he took geometry in 8th grade, it won’t be counted, so he must pass his Pre-Cal in order to be counted as “geometry” and he will need Calculus (instead of Stat) to be counted as advanced math? </p>
<p>Please explain a bit to me, I am very new to the system. Thanks.</p>
<p>Geometry taken in 8th grade will be counted, according to the document linked from post #2.</p>
<p>The change for fall 2015 is that if he did not have geometry in his record, he would no longer be able to use precalculus to validate geometry. But since he does have geometry in his record (presumably with a C or higher grade), that should not be a concern.</p>
<p>Students majoring in computer science will have to take calculus, linear algebra, and discrete math for their major; in addition, there will be computer science theory courses that are essentially like math courses.</p>
<p>UCSB admission profiles are here:
[UCSB</a> Admissions](<a href=“http://admissions.sa.ucsb.edu/quickfacts.asp]UCSB”>http://admissions.sa.ucsb.edu/quickfacts.asp)
[Freshman</a> admission profile | UC Admissions](<a href=“http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/campuses/santa-barbara/freshman-profile/]Freshman”>http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/campuses/santa-barbara/freshman-profile/)</p>
<p>his geometry was a B, but it won’t show it on his HS transcript as he took it in 8th grade, is that still ok??</p>
<p>@ucbalumnus-- thanks for the link, very helpful</p>
<p>My daughter was in the same track as your son:
7th - Algebra I
8th - Geom
9th - Algebra II
10th - PreCalc/Math Analysis
11th - AP Calc AB
She’s taking AP Calc BC as a senior.</p>
<p>ucbalumnis is right, the math that were taken in 7th and 8th are counted. Your son can take AP Stat his junior year and can take a regular Calculus (if his school offer it) his senior year.</p>
<p>When a UCSD adminssion officer came to my d’s school, he told us that the number 1 class that admitted students dropped or failed in their senior year is AP Calc AB. One thing to think about.</p>
<p>You may want to ask the UCs and CSUs how that is handled during final transcript verification after deciding to enroll at one.</p>
<p>UCs and CSUs ask the student to self-report courses and grades on the application; they ask for final transcript after high school graduation if you decide to enroll at one. Ask them whether you would need to send a middle school transcript to verify the math courses taken in middle school along with the final high school transcript in that case.</p>
<p>If he is interested in computer science then he should take at least AP Calc AB. This will help him when he has to take calculus in college for the major. And it will solidify if he is strong enough in math to even chose that major at all, since CS is very math oriented and he will have to take those additional courses mentioned above.</p>
<p>In addition, up to precalc is good but won’t be seen as the most rigorous program available and certainly other students indicating a CS major will likely have Calc. So the minimum is not always sufficient.</p>
<p>thank you ucbalumnus and helicopterfather…</p>
<p>the prob is that his school only offers AP Calculus AB/BC, no regular Cal. So if he takes AP Stat in 11, we don’t know what he should take in 12 if he wants to avoid Cal.</p>
<p>So the UCSD means that even if they drop or fail in AP Cal AB, they will still consider them?</p>
<p>AP calculus AB is slower paced than calculus that one would take in college if one completed high school with precalculus (usually, a good enough score on the AB test is equivalent to a quarter or semester of college calculus). So a student who is not the strongest at math may benefit from taking AB in high school to get it at a slower pace than a college calculus course would cover material at.</p>
<p>Of course, this assumes interest in the computer science major. Psychology and other social studies majors (other then economics) generally do not require calculus (unless the school as a whole requires calculus as a graduation requirement).</p>
<p>In terms of failing courses during senior year, that may cause a UC to rescind an admission offer. Changes to one’s senior schedule should be reported as soon as possible, rather than waiting until after admissions decisions.</p>
<p>@ Brownparent – he recognizes that he is not strong in math, so he is still undecided whether he wants to go for cs or not. He likes computer but he is also interested in psychology. He has good reasoning and analytical skills. To me, I think he is better off with psychology, but he is not sure what kind of career he will be in after graduating with a psychology degree. He wants to do researches, so he prob needs a Master on it. Any comments welcomed!!</p>
<p>@ ubcalumnus – thanks for your advice. After hearing all the responses, I think we will tell him to take AP Cal in 11th grade, then AP Stat in 12th. In this way, whichever major he decides later on, it will be covered.</p>
<p>Your CA high school transcript should show the algebra or geometry requirement was satisfied in middle school.</p>
<p>The UC requirement is at least three years of high school math, through geometry. Obviously, the candidate with more math is probably going to have an advantage, all other things being equal.</p>
<p>We were told at college planning night last week that the current most popular majors in the country are business and psychology. Something to keep an eye on if you are thinking about one of those majors!</p>
<p>thank you everyone… you guys are much better than his school counselor 
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<p>thank you GoldenWest for your reply…</p>
<p>Here is a count of bachelor’s degrees by major.</p>
<p>[Bachelor’s</a> degrees conferred by degree-granting institutions, by field of study: Selected years, 1970-71 through 2009-10](<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_286.asp]Bachelor’s”>Bachelor's degrees conferred by degree-granting institutions, by field of study: Selected years, 1970-71 through 2009-10)</p>
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<p>Research in psychology probably needs a PhD in psychology (similar to many other academic subjects).</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/internships-careers-employment/1121619-university-graduate-career-surveys-5.html#post15975553[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/internships-careers-employment/1121619-university-graduate-career-surveys-5.html#post15975553</a> may be helpful in seeing the job and career prospects of various majors (Berkeley, Cal Poly, CMU, MIT, and Virginia Tech are relatively detailed in what they put in their career survey reports).</p>
<p>Note, however, that while CS graduates are paid very well now, the computer industry can have wild ups and downs (a decade ago was a major downturn for the industry) – and there is currently a flood of frosh in introductory CS courses (1000+ at Berkeley, 700+ at Stanford, etc.).</p>