Accepted elsewhere?

<p>dogs - haha. don't worry... I'm sure I'm not as wise as you are, and I am already handling thick hefty glasses to see the tiny print on the computer. I'll be blind after college...</p>

<p>Anyways, I don't really have any questions left in regards to college. I have questions of whether I can truly handle Swarthmore's intense culture, but towards BU, I am more or less done asking questions - I've already lived BU and I know more or less what it is about. What I need is to get to campus and see the people in the program, to know if it is really worth passing up another great fin aid package. BU is not willing to do that...</p>

<p>gp
Have you directly been told there is no chance BU will revist the finances for you or is that just a minor factor? Kids at BU love to give opinions, very open about it, so it sounds like you have a good feel for the positives and negatives. Unfortunatly at the Swat. acceped students program you won't have much chance to hear the down sides of their program. All these schools have pluses and minuses.The student at our HS that had to take a year off after Freshman yr. at Swat actually gravitated to it because he was told he would work his tail off just to be in the middle of the pack. This student was used to hard work but also used to being rewarded by placing in the top 5% of students. I think he felt he was already a scholarly type person and needed to round out his social skills better and regretted not going to a different type of school than Swat. for that reason. Stiill, after taking a year off, he did choose to return there.</p>

<p>I am also choosing between BU and USC. I am leaning toward USC since I am from Boston and BU is too close. But I am still waiting for USC's financial aid package to decide.
BTW, which of the two has better business program? all i know is that USC is better ranked than BU in USnews.</p>

<p>I have emailed the director of the program at BU and specifically stated that I could not attend the open house because of financial restraints. She replied saying that she understood, but could not do much about it...</p>

<p>I got accepted to Northeastern, U of San Fran, Bentley College, Waterloo (Canada), and York (Waterloo). Most likely going to BU so far.. waiting for Boston College and rejected from USC & U Chicago</p>

<p>err I meant "York (Canada)"</p>

<p>I got accepted to UMich, Colby College, UIowa, Macalester College, Bard.. most likely going to BU</p>

<p>I was accepted to BU, Case Western Reserve Univ., Mt. Holyoke College, Dickinson College, Univ. of Vermont, and John Carroll Univ. </p>

<p>I'm going to BU.</p>

<p>I'm going to BU CAS Honors Program, University Scholarship. I mentioned schools I turned down or was waitlisted at on a previous post. Since then also accepted to Cornell. I really struggled over that one until I saw Ithaca. Yuk. Looking forward to BU. Everyone said I'll get used to the cold and it only last a couple of months. I plan to learn to snowboard since I hear that will make a person change their attitide toward snow. Anyone else?</p>

<p>I really liked the campus and the city. I am from a small suburban town and my parenst weren't crazy about me being in a city at first but now they get it. I looked at some of the evnts on the BU web site and it reaffirmed why I want to be in a big school.</p>

<p>Oh, gphoenix. I live in PA and the Sat. kids are viewed as pretty snobby and all they do is study. The Haverford and Bryn Mawr kids make fun of them for that, which is strange in itself. Thats not to say it isn't a fascinating school but something to consider.</p>

<p>I am not concerned about BU possibly being less intellectual than say Swat. Even at the top 10% of the BU SAT scale I still would have 3,000 kids in that range if or when I wanted to seek that out so its still more than at Haverford, etc. One of my closest friends is going to an Ivy but another is going to trade school since he has a Learning Disability. I like to be around a variety of types of people. Plus, look at Boston. Some of the internships blew my mind.</p>

<p>"Even at the top 10% of the BU SAT scale I still would have 3,000 kids in that range if or when I wanted to seek that out so its still more than at Haverford, etc"</p>

<p>what? sorry i didn't understand that..</p>

<p>Well some Ivy kids seem to think that if you pick an Honors Program at what they consider a lesser school you won't be challenged and the poster was comparing the academic mileu at his other choice compared to BU. So I just meant that I prefer to be with a wide spectrum of people but if I wanted to focus on being in the top 10% of the GPA/SAT scores and all I still would have plenty of like company to seek out. </p>

<p>Hope that doesn't sound off, I'm trying to make a"nice" point. With 30,000 students if the top 10% are in Honors Programs or University Professors that still is a lot of kids to interact with in those classes if you require scholarly classmate discussions that you worry you may only find in the Ivy League. At the same time, at BU you wouldn't be stuck with academic super achievers 24/7 and going to "eating clubs" on the weekend, if you are considered good enough to get invited. (Princeton) . Oh boy, don't think I'm doing too well at this.</p>

<p>hha it's okay. i understand it now. yah you have a valid point</p>

<p>"With 30,000 students if the top 10% are in Honors Programs or University Professors that still is a lot of kids to interact with in those classes if you require scholarly classmate discussions that you worry you may only find in the Ivy League."</p>

<p>True, but 3,000 students hidden amongst 30,000 means a lot of niche-searching. Especially when you're in Boston - a large percentage of the people in Boston Sept - May are college students. After all, 60-some colleges in a 10-mile radius of BU; or so the advertising says.</p>

<p>30,000? Where did this number come from? I figure about 15-16,000 total BU undergraduates, so top 10% of each class is maybe 375-400.
If you are in Honors, and you participate in special Honors programs--the weekend, lectures, outings--- and take Honors classes, you won't have to do "a lot of niche-searching."</p>

<p>30k, given all of BU's grad too. To be honest, I was quoting drummerboy, not realizing undergrad is closer to 20k.</p>

<p>I am still debating the BU vs. upper-tier Ivy and Ivy-likes. Never thought about the being-surrounded-by-genius stereotype associated. But, I think the fact with upper-tier is that you are surrounded by this 'genius' and intellectual atmosphere. At BU, you hafta search for it. Even if you're in Honors or UNI (if you aren't, are you screwed?), you are a small segment of that 'talented' population. Being in classes and occasional social activities such as honors doesn't really alleviate the having to search for the niche-ness. Class discussions don't really carry on to outside of the classroom. You are still mixed in with the greater pool. In all honestly, this discussion feels pretty foreign to me, and bordering on obnoxious. All hypothetical.</p>

<p>GP,
I know you are struggling. Personally, I don't consider that if someone has an SAT score 50 points lower than me that we can't have fascinating discourse. (or 50 points higher for that matter) I find BU to be an academically stimulating environment yet not excessively so ---as a few of the schools are that I considered. Maybe one would have to compete for the opportunities in an Ivy type setting and in the end may have fewer. There is a great thread on the regular CC Forum from Evil Robot that I read yesterday. Check it out.
I debated too, however, I don't agree you'll have to search at BU for intellectual conversation. On the other hand if you need a break from that and want to be a college "kid" ....well then thats a different kind of opportunity you may have to search for it at some of the other type of schools.</p>

<p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstarmom
Here's a link to evil_robot's post about what his freshman year at Vandy was like after he gave up Yale, his dream school, for merit $ at Vandy: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...ead.php?t=37237%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...ead.php?t=37237&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The link doesn't work.</p>

<p>I found the thread and am pasting the first post:</p>

<p>The long (financial) road to matriculation... </p>

<p>Some of you may remember me. I applied last year, part of the class of '04, to a bunch of schools all over the country. I was accepted to many, waitlisted at a few, and ultimately ended up at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN. I posted several threads on the old boards at CC dealing with my financial and personal issues with attending many of the schoools. You thought I would fade into oblivion, didn't you? Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated - especially by engineering homework .</p>

<p>Although it may be a little too early for me to become an old cranky geezer at the age of 18, when I created this thread, I thought I had something wise (not really) and deep (not so much) to share. Well, maybe you don't think so, but I'm here and I'm going to tell it anyway. Here it is:</p>

<p>I had a problem when I applied to schools that is common to many, many of us. I needed money to attend a good private school. When the acceptances started coming in, I had my heart set on one school, a very prestigious one (which is a load of hooey if you ask me). And, joy of joys, they accepted me! But alas, the money was not forthcoming in the quantities I needed, and after much deliberation, consultation with everyone from my parents to my counselors to CC to my psychic (just kidding about the last one!), I decided to go where the money was - here at Vandy, which I am proud to call my university. And here I am, a year out, when acceptances are starting to come on the table and the stress of admissions is starting to be replaced by another, even greater stress, the stress of decision.</p>

<p>I am here to tell you that, in my case, the extra $100,000 or so was better not spent. I have flourished at the university, taking part in activities ranging from teaching middle schoolers science to expanding my horizons with public lectures on whatever strikes my interest to becoming more of an activist to really just being free for the first time in my life (and so older folks tell me, the last). A lot of this peace of mind and joy comes from not having to have a job, from not having to be constantly worried about loan payments, and from not straining beyond the breaking point my parents' and my resources.</p>

<p>Many people forget this when they are deciding between schools. I know I did. Let me tell you something. On Sunday night, when your laundry basket is overflowing, you've got a paper to write by the next day and a test the next, and you're stressed beyond belief, you don't CARE what your school's name is. If that's all that's stopping you, or some image of the school created by your classmates or the admissions office when you go for your cursory hours-long or day-long visit, you're on the wrong track in picking schools. As I go along, I care less and less about these superficial issues, and more and more about the education I'm receiving. Let me tell you about something I found out about.</p>

<p>I enrolled in an abstract algebra course this semester. It's extremely challenging - entirely proof based with problems to match. On the first problem set we had to prove one part of the Continuum Hypothesis, one of the deepest problems in modern mathematics (the rest of which is undecideable, as I'm sure the mathematically inclined here are aware). I spent 5 hours on that problem and didn't solve it. I was frustrated. So was the rest of the class. But slowly, as I improved, the teacher began to take notice of me. We began to have regular e-mail correspondance about math. I began reading up on the latest journals, even though I still can't understand most of what goes on (I doubt even professional mathematicians do!). But that's not the point. The point is, this summer, I will probably have a research internship with this professor in two of my major interests - math and computer science. Just like that. Your mileage may vary of course, but the point is, if you are well motivated enough, you will find opportunities at ANY school you attend, let alone the ones just below the very top.</p>

<p>You may ask - well, what about the students? Are there students I match with well intellectually? I mean, their average SAT is 50 points below mine, of course they are not my intellectual equals, right? Let me break your first illusion: No matter where you go, there will be people who just don't get it, just like high school. It'll just be a matter of proportion of who and how many. I've found the greatest group of friends and a girlfriend who I love very much. We enjoy ourselves greatly without alcohol or any of the other vices associated with college students (except staying up late and sleeping late, if that's even a vice (more like an added bonus, I'd say )). I could go on forever about how infectious everyone's enthusiasm for their hobbies and interests are, but that's a good college experience for you, so get out there and shape your own.</p>

<p>I know everyone's situation is different, and my problems may not be yours. But consider this: a backup or match school isn't just a backup if you don't get in somewhere "more selective" by some arbitrary criterion. It's a living, breathing place with myriad opportunities just waiting for some creative individual like yourself to search out and find. And in the end, if you can save yourself the stress and worry and pain and agony of having the name, you'll find you can make a life for yourself better than it's ever been. I am happy to say that here, I am the happiest I've ever been. And that's all I could ever ask for.</p>

<p>Now that I'm done preaching, you can commence with the booing and hissing. It's 3:00 AM, I should be sleeping instead of writing . Please forgive the quality of the writing; I haven't had to put together a coherent paragraph since last semester's philosophy class.</p>