Advice for a confused teen

<p>Hi parents, </p>

<p>I'd appreciate some mature opinions and input. Please don't hesitate to be candid, ask me more specifics, or PM me etc.</p>

<p>I'm 16, 17 in december. Homeschooled for high school, in 11th grade now. After a really hard year for my whole family, it started to come out to my parents that I wasn't really happy.
Through homeschooling, but especially recently, I've been painfully lonely. I always considered myself an independent person, but at this point I'm literally scared to be alone. I never had strong friendships in school, but now I don't have any.
My parents want me to do less music, I want to do more. I don't agree with all their political beliefs. I want more independence and more of a social opportunity. My parents want me out of the house, because, although I'm not proud of this in any way, I act like a jerk to them. </p>

<p>So my parents want to put me in a boarding school for 12th grade and a PG year, and in January if they possibly can. </p>

<p>I want to apply to a state college for next year. </p>

<p>My parents say I'm too immature (I act immature to them, but I'm responsible), and will mess up my chance to go to an Ivy League for undergrad because my school of choice (Yale) doesn't accept many/any transfers.</p>

<p>I don't want to go to boarding school, because I wouldn't fit in with all the younger/irresponsible/spoiled rich kids (I went to private middle school, so I know), I don't want to deal with all their stupid rules and regulations (I'm capable of managing myself maturely), I don't want dumbed-down courses and lots of busywork.</p>

<p>Yale is honestly the perfect school for me. I do sacred music seriously, I like to think quietly and a lot, I know one of their math teachers and adore his methods. I want to live in a functional city, and one that's not posh. I wouldn't get in now, but I might after 2 years of good college records.</p>

<p>If I go to a state school for two years, will I mess up my chances?</p>

<p>(The other possible option is that I take a few college courses in my hometown, and apply to yale in another year. I don't know if this would work out emotionally/familially.)
(My parents don't want me to go to an early college program and neither do I. I don't like the homogeneous social environment.)</p>

<p>Your parents are right–you probably do have a much better chance of getting into Yale as a freshman applicant than as a transfer. Of course, it’s quite hard to get into even as a freshman applicant, but if that is your goal, you would be better off maintaining your freshman applicant status.</p>

<p>In our area, many homeschooled students enroll in the local community college for a few classes once they get to junior or senior year. I believe that they are permitted to take two classes a term although some might be able to arrange to take more. They are still considered homeschooled highschoolers, and it’s a “dual-enrollment” situation. This way they are not considered transfer students when they apply to college.</p>

<p>Is there a local college where you could take a course or two as a non-degree-seeking special student? That might give you some challenge, some social interaction, and some chance to show your parents you are ready to buckle down.</p>

<p>You sound a little rebellious but, seriously, at your age that is par for the course. </p>

<p>Have you taken any standardized tests?</p>

<p>Have you visited any of the boarding schools you might attend?</p>

<p>Personally, I think it could be a good option.</p>

<p>You might find the kids friendlier than you think. It’s at least worth checking out, as you may be pleasantly surprised.</p>

<p>Given how hard it is to get into Yale, I’m not sure I’d do all my planning around that. Better to find a place SOON where you will be happy.</p>

<p>Sounds as if your parents could be struggling with your growing independence. You might have to try to lead them through it in baby steps. Try not to be a jerk to them, but I do understand how hard that can be sometimes. You don’t have to agree with their viewpoints in order to treat them respectfully (or at the very least bite your tongue if it helps). </p>

<p>A question: Are your parents hoping a year in boarding school will increase your statistics to the point of being competitive for Yale? You mention that you couldn’t get in now. If you can’t get in now, there is no “chance to go to Ivy that you are wasting”. I don’t get your parents stance on this unless they think the boarding school will transform you into being a competitive applicant. If that is the case, they might be relying too much on that. </p>

<p>Do you have outside class grades of any kind (online classes, CC classes, etc)? Have you taken PSAT/SAT/ACT, etc? Do you have adults/mentors other than family members who will write good letters of recommendation for you? </p>

<p>I have two children, one is a junior and one is a sophomore, both homeschooled most of their lives although this year they are in public school. They are aiming for selective schools. BUT, they are slowly realizing that there are MANY schools where they can meet their goals, grow and flourish. Can your focus some energy into school searches? You can find schools beside Yale that match your criteria.</p>

<p>You have some preconceptions about boarding schools that are not universally true. Each one has its own character. Each one attracts a different student body. Many offer a lot of financial aid, so you get a mixture of class backgrounds.</p>

<p>Only the schools that cater to “bad kids” are likely to have a dumbed-down curriculum. Most, especially those in the northeast, have a challenging curriculum, with many seniors taking a full load of AP courses.</p>

<p>Most of the rules are pretty reasonable, and as long as you’re not smoking pot or making a lot of noise, you can usually ignore the lights-out rules. If you don’t want to wear a uniform or rigid dress code, if you don’t want to go to chapel, there are plenty of schools to fit those preferences.</p>

<p>It probably sounds like I went to a boarding school. I did. It helped me get into a pretty well-known SLAC. I also got kicked out during my senior year, and I was pretty upset about it at the time, so I’m not exactly a boarding school cheerleader. I’d say I’m pretty neutral, actually.</p>

<p>Anyway, if you can work out the social anxieties (and I don’t mean to minimize them) a boarding school could create a lot of opportunities for you. And you really should be able to find one with a personality to suit you. The stereotypes don’t come close to telling the whole story.</p>

<p>EDIT TO ADD:</p>

<p>Every kid I knew who did a PG year went on to a top notch school or one of the military academies. They definitely thought it was worthwhile.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>What, exactly, is wrong with all of the high schools in your own home town? You needn’t be shipped off to boarding school. Depending on how your home-school credits are accepted, you might find that you will be in high school for more than just a year and a half which would be the equivalent of that expensive PG year at a boarding school.</p>

<p>You also need to consider other options besides Yale. Maybe you will get in. But if you don’t, what do you plan to do?</p>

<p>What do your test scores look like? Especially as a home schooled student, that will determine your chances at Yale, slim for anyone. You will need some sort of outside validation. Any music awards? </p>

<p>Your situation is a tough one. It would be much harder to transfer into Yale, or to other school, really, unless you have fantastic grades. But maybe your state school is a good fit? Maybe you can do what you want there anyway? </p>

<p>I don’t understand why your folks want to put you in two years of boarding school after all this homeschooling. Is the relationship so bad? And why couldn’t you just finish up at the local high school and go to state U? Does the local high school have a strong music program? You could make friends with common interests there. </p>

<p>Do your folks have a boarding school in mind? What if you went to an arts boarding school?</p>

<p>"I want more independence and more of a social opportunity. My parents want me out of the house, because, although I’m not proud of this in any way, I act like a jerk to them. "</p>

<p>If you want to be treated as an independent, mature person, please act like one. Nobody will consider you independent and mature (at least, in my culture) if you live with your parents on their dime. Get your own money. Get your own place to live. Then (and only then) you have right to claim your independency.</p>

<p>You say that you don’t like “spoiled rich kids”. Sorry, but you sound as one of them. Precisely. </p>

<p>You list everything that “you want” from parents and everyone else. You want your parents to organize your life in such a way, that you live in a nice place and have nice friends … </p>

<p>Mature, responsible, and independent person what pause form a second and think “what can I do for people around me? How can I help my parents?” </p>

<p>Move out of you parents house. This is a minimum that you can do for THEM. No parent deserves to live with a jerk.</p>

<p>Your parents are definitely correct on one point - it is almost impossible to transfer into Yale.</p>

<p>From the Yale website…</p>

<p>“As competitive as the admissions process is for freshmen, the transfer process is even more so. Yale receives more than 1,000 transfer applications each year, and we have spaces for only 20 to 30 students.”</p>

<p>Even for freshman applicants at Yale…5% or so get accepted, and 95% or so don’t. </p>

<p>Sacred Music Institute at Yale is a graduate level course of study only. It is not available to undergrads.</p>

<p>Boarding schools that offer a PG year will also have other students your age, as well as high school seniors. They will be close in age to you…not younger and less mature.</p>

<p>If you do not want to go to a boarding school, I agree with Happymom…look at local options where you can be a day student, and live at home.</p>

<p>Thanks for all these responses.</p>

<p>Yes, I definitely come from an over-privileged lifestyle. However, both my parents came from poor, rural areas and worked to get where they are. Would I choose that kind of life instead? Probably not. Education from a young age is something I have been blessed with by a privileged lifestyle. </p>

<p>I realize how snooty that sounded - describing boarding school kids as spoiled rich kids, etc.
However I re-iterate I spent 8 years in various private prep schools. I am sick of the small-world mindset these kids have, all they want is a leader to follow the trends of mindlessly, they are just inexperienced at life and they are too preoccupied with the images they project to have any substance that I can identify with. </p>

<p>Of course there were exceptions. I was one of them. I dressed simply instead of trying to look rich and sexy, I didn’t adopt a valley-girl voice, I didn’t crush on all the boys, I didn’t cower to the “popular” kids. I was, of course, the subject of all the gossip and childish attempts at harassment that happens with teens. There were a few of us, and we hung together often for safety, but I felt we were all embarrassed about who we were. </p>

<p>I’ll be brutally honest: ALL the others were people of color. It wasn’t hard to see where the divisions lay. I sat with them everyday at lunch because they were safe. There was always an air of something a little sad about the group. I spent all my time with them and I got to know them: they were simply embarrassed about who they were.
They hated being the outcasts.
They probably thought it was something wrong with THEM. After all, our principal ranted on and on about equality and peace and happiness in our utopian school community, and our teachers turned a blind eye to the goings-on.
Somehow, they never really bonded with me, I think because they felt I didn’t really have a right to be unpopular. I came from a well-to-do family, my skin color matched the popular girls to a T, etc. And if they WERE going to try to be friends with a white girl for a bit, well, they would choose a popular girl. </p>

<p>Yes, I had problems then. I was nervous and thus unattractive, I started mumbling terribly, I had a hundred internal problems (like all adolescents), but… the roots underlying these issues can’t be explained away.
My time in private school was the most emotionally straining time I have ever experienced. When I first left, I literally had to undergo a “healing phase” and it was half a year before I started opening up, feeling the world again, seeing beauty and feeling comfortable in my place in the universe. </p>

<p>Of those outcast kids I used to sit with at lunch? Most stayed at the school, because their parents wanted them to get a private school education. A few transferred to boarding schools.
I’ve stayed in touch with a few. One of them, the closest thing to a friend that I had in school, went to a VERY well-known BS.
Where is she now, almost 3 years later?
Doing fine in school. Getting A’s. But as we talked last, just an online chat, I pressured her to tell me what her new school was like. She made a vague comment about straight white people ruling the school, then told me abruptly that she is going to enlist in the military after high school. Against her parents’ wishes. She said she had to feel meaningful. That she was sick of being alone and powerless and removed from humanity. That offering her life for the good of other people is the only option she sees left to do to make her life worthwhile. </p>

<p>I don’t agree with most military intervention, but that’s not the point. And her point hit home with me. Too close, too deeply home. Too resonant with my memories of what I felt, of what I still sometimes feel, but not nearly as often. </p>

<p>Being alone/depressed/etc. is very powerful and can result in very strong creative urges, etc. however it is also very painful and can be very dangerous. </p>

<p>In our private schools, their is some terrible malcoordination of well-intentioned but willfully blind administration, lofty ideals taking the place of real people, and the richest, most attractive, etc. students, or those who project such an image the most, are happy. But there are always a few left behind… some of them, forever, and remembered by the school as only a mentally-ill blot on their shining conquests in the name of progression. </p>

<p>All this to say that I do not approve of prep schools. I didn’t even go into my academic gripes with them. I’ll spare you another rant. Perhaps I sound like I am mentally ill, also, in which case I regret that I’m unable to stand up for truths that only half-broken people know.
I don’t mean to, and hope I did not, discredit any of your children who may be very happy at boarding schools. Most kids are just a heck of a lot more easy-going than me, and don’t notice or care about these things. </p>

<p>I thought I was lonely in school, but at home I simply don’t have enough contact with people. I have to stop taking it out on my parents. We’ve had a lot of trouble with my older siblings and it’s just been a hard year for everyone. I’m going to try to pull it together and start taking courses at my state school and just apply to other colleges in another year. </p>

<p>Perhaps I spoke too quickly regarding Yale.
I know the Sacred Music program is officially only for grad. students. However I already have connections with a few of the faculty, who would be very interested in taking me on as a private student should I attend Yale. I don’t doubt also that I could join in on seminars, etc. hosted by the Sacred Music dept.
My test scores are certainly sufficient, and with paper records from a few actual courses, I have reason to believe I would be offered acceptance.
I am definitely looking at other schools, and may eventually choose another school than Yale.</p>

<p>If you live in a relatively wealthy area, there is the possibility that your local public high school is more than merely decent. Pay a visit. See what you think. You might be happier there than you are at home or that you would be in another private high school.</p>

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<p>OP- hugs to you. Sounds like you’ve had a rocky HS career.</p>

<p>I know you won’t believe me but I’ll tell you this anyway- there are at least 30 colleges which are not named Yale which you would love and would thrive in. Maybe you will get into Yale and maybe you won’t, and of course you won’t know until you try, but guess what- you will be able to find “your people” and explore your intellectual interests and have cool professors and be part of seminars, etc. at dozens of colleges.</p>

<p>So let me make a suggestion which might rachet down the volume and the stress at home right now-- stop talking about Yale. There is nothing to stop you from applying to a bunch of colleges right now. See what happens. Maybe you’ll be admitted and maybe not. But it seems pointless to me to be arguing with your parents about an optimal transfer strategy to Yale down the road when you clearly need a plan for next year (or right now) which better suits your needs and talents than your current homeschooling plan.</p>

<p>You can all resume your regularly scheduled broadcast (and arguing) in April when you actually have a decision to make (go or no go, to whichever colleges accept you.) Right now, you’re all replaying whatever family difficulty you’ve alluded to by lashing out at each other, which really doesn’t have much to do with prep school, public HS, Yale, or anything else. But that’s how families operate.</p>

<p>By filling out an application to a bunch of schools you are not committing to attend any of them next year. So if come April your parents think you are too immature- you guys get to argue about that in April. But hashing it to death now seems like a waste of time, no? Since you’ve been admitted to precisely zero colleges at this moment.</p>

<p>If you have not recently read Catcher in The Rye or anything else from the “tortured and rebellious adolescent novel” genre, I would encourage you to do so. It may give you some perspective on why your parents are exasperated with you right now. And you are certainly smart enough to realize that to-date, your educational experiences are not representative of what HS (public or private) is all about. And that you might well find another HS which makes you feel less isolated socially. Or disengaged, or marginalized.</p>

<p>Or not. In which case, go ye forth and identify another 15 colleges (at least 12 of which are statistically easier to get into than Yale) and get moving.</p>

<p>Haha, thanks. </p>

<p>I do (begrudgingly) realize that just perhaps, my experiences would not be duplicated in a normal, large, public HS. I think I would actually do just fine socially in such. My concerns then would simply be academic, as I have pretty strong ideas about how I want to learn which don’t at all coincide with the rote learning-for-the-test approach. However I’m certainly not achieving to my potential as a homeschooler, so I’ve got to start doing that, or go to HS, or go to college. One of them has got to happen if I’m going to continue on. </p>

<p>Thanks again for your reply.</p>

<p>Blossom–I respect the heck out of you, and I don’t argue with your answer here, but is that really what you got out of CitR? that Holden is presented as a source of exasperation? been a while since I read it, but pretty sure that’s not the point.</p>

<p>Garland, I don’t recommend literature as an antidote or solution to life’s problems. But it often acts as a catalyst for the reader, no? I don’t read Anna Karenina and go off and stand in front of a subway train… but I can relate to her struggles and gain perspective on my own marriage, family life, etc.</p>

<p>No???</p>

<p>“My concerns then would simply be academic, as I have pretty strong ideas about how I want to learn which don’t at all coincide with the rote learning-for-the-test approach.”</p>

<p>You understand, that when you get to college, you have no control over how professors teach their classes… you have to learn to adapt.</p>

<p>OP, as others have said, don’t confine yourself to a dream which requires acceptance from a university that is very stingy in giving them. You could follow your dreams at any number of colleges and universities. </p>

<p>By the way, I had never before come across “… I’m unable to stand up for truths that only half-broken people know.” Is that yours? Some of your other phrasing also showed real talent. If that is all original, then you really shouldn’t fret about whether Yale takes you or not. If the adcoms at Yale don’t, probably someday they will wish they had.</p>

<p>Blossom–I agree with the idea that AK can give that kind of perspective on life, marriage, etc.</p>

<p>and that CitR can illuminate a young adult’s struggles with figuring out how to make sense of the world as it is, and how to be in it.</p>