<p>Does anyone have information on the difficulty of receiving a “Type 1” Air Force ROTC Scholarship?</p>
<p>Do you know how many Type 1 Scholarships are awarded each year?</p>
<p>i got a type 7 scholarship, and accepted to USAFA, but then again i didn't really try hard at all for the AFROTC scholarship -- relatively speaking.</p>
<p>I received a type 1 after receiving and accepting my USAFA appointment... The guy who interviewed me insisted the same amount of difficulty it takes to get a USAFA appt. equals that of receiving a type 1... You have to be wanting to major in a technical field and show high proficiency in areas of math and science to vouch for it. It also can depend on what types of colleges you list as your preferences...</p>
<p>If ROTC is the way you wanna go, do give it all you have and remember their are several alternatives, including a 3 year full ride which you can apply for as a frosh in college...</p>
<p>PS. I got the scholarship to Purdue but was able to transfer to Penn State and Texas A&M if that helps in the types of colleges I was trying to go to... ;)</p>
<p>Shoot me anymore questions and I'll be willing to help ya out!!!</p>
<p>Pfft, rejected my ROTC application to the Purdue Det. Go figure. lmao.</p>
<p>In our DS's hs 3 kids were awarded type 1. Our DS took the AFROTC scholarship over the AFA due to the program that was offered at the univ. He is NOT an engineering student, he is in international relations with govt studies. He has no regrets choosing ROTC over the AFA.</p>
<p>What you need to do is to sit down with the ROTC commanderr and learn about the det...i.e.what your chances to obtain your final goal (they have the statistics of cadets getting their 1st pick)....will they support you for the AFA in your freshman yr if you determine that you want the AFA and re-apply...most importantly do you want to attend that university. </p>
<p>Our DS is kicking a** in his det. He scored very in his AFOQT (the highest for a freshman, and no need to re-take 89 and 94 in certain areas)h understood the need to be physically fit and passed the PFA high enough that he is not required to attend mandatory fitness training(his 1 1/2 mi run is 10:30. push ups and sit ups were over 80 ea)</p>
<p>Also realize that the AF is changing in his freshman class of @45, only 3 want to fly. They have shown through historical records that anyone with a gpa of 3.0+ has received a UPT slot if qual. Only 3 cadets want a UPT slot. </p>
<p>The most important thing to remember is your youth will pass you by...if you want the AFA fight for it tooth and nail, if you want to serve your country, but still be the avg college student than take ROTC. It is a hard decision that only you can answer. </p>
<p>NO OFFENSE talk to your folks, the det commanders and look into yourself. The AFA is the most amazing education that you will ever receive, but that doesn't mean it is a right fit for you! You are the only one that knows where you will be happiest at.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p>
<p>AIM HIGH...ABOVE ALL</p>
<p>Pima. Did his det have practices or work to prep for the AFOQT? They randomly made us 2010s here take it one Saturday, fortunately it doesn't count towards our AFSC or anything. I kinda wish it did now, I scored 99 on every section except crit reading, got a 98 there. LMAO. But we were told that most dets actually spend a while preparing for this which I thought was interesting.</p>
<p>That was him walking in cold...no study groups or prep. (it was done on a SAT am while his friend from NC was there for the NC v UMD game, so I am sure he was probably rushing it to get back to the dorm) He is allowed to take it again, but since his quantative (I though it was 85, but asked DS for scores he was 89 quant) for Pilot was 22 pts higher than what is needed for UPT he might not take it again. Plus his other scores were in the 90's and his gpa is 3.5+ he has no desire or need to take it again, this is in addition to being the highest scoring freshman. His verbal and academic scores were 93/94, which places him @25 pts ahead in percentile.</p>
<p>His det does not prep, they might do it for those who have lower scores, since they can take it 2 times, but since he did well enough on the first try he is not being recruited to take it again.</p>
<p>For AFROTC candidates, DS did get a leg up in his ap to AFA and AFROTC by getting his PPL. Having a PPL will help for the pilot portion.</p>
<p>"Graduates of the service academies all receive regular commissions, whereas reserve commissions are generally given to ROTC graduates. Hence, the word Reserve in ROTC. To clear up any misunderstandings, a reserve commission does not mean that an officer serves in the Reserves. The difference between a regular commission and a reserve commission is that a regular officer has:</p>
<p>Better chances for promotion
Protection from reductions in force (i.e. being laid off from active duty)
The opportunity to serve longer
Eligibility for medical, dental and disability benefits
ROTC officers do graduate right away with regular commissions, but on a very selective and smaller scale than the service academies." (Getintoacademy.com)</p>
<p>The air force is changing, but bottom line, Air Force Academy grads have a MUCH better chance at getting a pilots slot.</p>
<p>Just thought I'd throw this out there...</p>
<p>Also, I dont think the point of this forum is to list each and every one of your "DS's" credentials and accomplishments... but maybe I am wrong.</p>
<p>A great point, except for the fact that reserve commissions were done away with over a decade ago. Check your own source: Reserve</a> | Get Into Academy.</p>
<p>Furthermore, what credentials do you have that allow you to criticize the wife of a career officer or her son?</p>
<p>My bad, perhaps that was uncalled for...</p>
<p>Uh oh, it looks as though a new member might have jumped the gun with that remark...</p>
<p>Listing credentials will give other potential candidates a better idea of what it is they are competing against, a sense of REALISM (take a good look at your screen name) and to help guide them in the direction best suited for them, ROTC or USAFA either way...</p>
<p>Petko, thanks, for defending me, (af16 you too) but Realist123, isn't being realistic. </p>
<p>So lets' go pt by pt.</p>
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<li><p>This link is about AFROTC, since our DS chose AFROTC over the AFA I think going through the rollercoaster ride of his acceptance process gives me some insight.(Bullet is my better half who served 20 yrs flying fighters and OBTW ROTC commission)</p></li>
<li><p>His credentials do mean something since that will be a determining factor if he gets UPT and for many candidates to get a realistic handle</p></li>
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<p>3.
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Graduates of the service academies all receive regular commissions, whereas reserve commissions are generally given to ROTC graduates. Hence, the word Reserve in ROTC.
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Those days are gone and have been for yrs. AFA grads DO NOT GET A FULL COMMISSION</p>
<p>THUS, they are not saved froma RIF, they also will not get promoted any faster to field grade. ROTC and AFA commissioned officers get the exact same medical, dental and disability. </p>
<p>REALITY is flyers families get special treatment, they have flight docs and do not go to family med, but for ortho,, optometrist and vaccinations we all go to the same place.</p>
<p>THE REAL DIFFERENCE AFA grads will go to UPT before ROTC and have a lower line number. AFA grads have a better chance for UPT. AFA grads have more military experience during their college experience.</p>
<p>I can give you a litany of a flag officers that were not AFA/SA grads, but instead I will give only one, he might not be an AFA grad, but he should be the beacon for every officer in the military...Gen colin Powell. If that isn't good enough then how about Gen. Jumper
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General Jumper was born in Paris, Texas. He earned his commission as a distinguished graduate of Virginia Military Institute's ROTC program in 1966
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<p>or how about McPeak another ROTC gad?</p>
<p>The AFA is the best in the world, but there are some very notable/illustrious military members that made it through ROTC. The AD world is totally different than the academia world. The fliers world is about how you can handle the stick. </p>
<p>If a RIF comes up again both AFA and ROTC officers will have their head on ther chopping block.</p>
<p>Realist I think you do not comprehend what ROTC officers are. They do not work 2 weeks a year and every other weekend. THEY are full time officers.</p>
<p>OBTW click on Realist...he/she is a troll..can't pm or email</p>
<p>Question about your statement re "Flier's familiies" go to particular doctors vs. the family doctors--- does this apply only to the Pilot? vs the rest of the family? I can see that as a nice benefit--of course you would want Pilots to have the best for evaluation and treatment of medical conditions. (my dd is 09 at the AFA- her BF (08) is entering pilot's training now. So that was interesting to me. Her eyes aren't perfect so now piloting is out for her--Thanks all for your information.</p>
<p>the entire family goes to the flight doc. 20 yrs and we never saw anyone but a flight doc the entire time...except for the ob/gyn. Flight docs are phenomenal. they know every family member by name and each has a specialty, ortho, gyn, surgery, etc. SJ has 6 flight docs</p>
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For AFROTC candidates, DS did get a leg up in his ap to AFA and AFROTC by getting his PPL. Having a PPL will help for the pilot portion.
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<p>Having flying experience was a HUGE plus on the pilot section for sure. Didn't know what the baselines it went off of, glad I know that now.</p>
<p>My understanding from talking to officers here is that if a RIF does occur, ROTC will mostly likely take almost all the hit and OTS while USAFA would be left alone for the most part.</p>
<p>From what I've read, if they want a RIF, ROTC scholarships will be cut down, and OTS will have a reduced class size (or whatever they call it).</p>
<p>If a RIF occurs, and they follow previous plans, ROTC/OTS will be cut, pipelines will be slowed down and they will target specific yr groups. Remember there is a % of field grade to company. Field grade will have a full commission, whereas company will not, thus they will do a 5 yr plan and remove the excess accordingly</p>
<p>In 93 when the last RIF went through, the pipeline slowed to a halt, they took 95% grads from 85/86 thAT DID NOT HAVE A FULL COMMISSION, back than AFA grads received Full commissions so they were not on the block, that is not true anymore. Also promotion to Maj dropped tremendously, I think it was in the hi 60% comp to @80% now. They also held SERBs to decrease the field grade numbers.</p>
<p>Realize that the AFA will be safe, but the career fields might be hit also so when you graduate and go to UPT, if you bust a ride they have the right to say thank you very much and goodby...nobody has a full commission to protect them. Bullet had a couple of guys that he knew that washed out of UPT and were given walking papers, some went to guard units and came back as navs.</p>
<p>Now do I think there will be a RIF...doubtful, but the importance is to remember that every officer walks in with the same commission and when you enter the AD you will be fighting for the "full" commission.</p>
<p>All of the above is interesting, some of which I was not aware of. The thread does remind me of a conversation I had with an astronaut (who happens to be an ROTC - Texas A&M grad.) last year when Soaring Son was trying to decide which way to go. His comment was: "If you want to fly for the company, best go to the company school." BTW - his son also happens to be at USAFA (and I think a classmate of Hornet).</p>
<p>If I can come over from the USNA [from where my son will graduate in May] side for a moment, may I ask a question?
My second son has an AF ROTC interview later this week.
What should he expect? Types of questions, say beyond the "why do you want to serve in the Air Force" kind of questions.</p>
<p>Any other tips I can pass along to him?</p>