<p>So, as a race, you can't deal with high school? ***.
Economics can use that argument, race can't.</p>
<p>A poor person might do better in college, living in a dorm etc...but a rich black guy has NO excuse.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>A poor person might do better in college, living in a dorm etc...but a rich black guy has NO excuse.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>You might not buy this, but some psychologists theorize that being a member of a minority group (be it women, blacks, the poor, etc) in a society that marginalizes you causes you to incorporate society's toxic stereotypes into your own self-image, which negatively impacts your performance in a wide range of areas, including school. In Brown v Board of Education this was actually one of the arguments used, and I guess the Supreme Court bought it.</p>
<p>In any case, I think you're misinterpreting the goal of AA. It's not to give minorities a boost one time (in college admissions, in a job hunt, etc); the ultimate goal is to use it as a tool to lessen or eradicate the inequality and social stratification that continues in our society. In terms of college admissions the rationale is that because minority groups were/are so grossly underrepresented in higher education & high paying employment fields, by giving them that advantage in college it will be a springboard to a better career. For the next For the next generation they can then act as a role model for kids who probably don't even realize that they have the potential to go that far. Of course, the hope would be that this becomes a self-perpetuated cycle, eliminating the need for AA.</p>
<p>Furthermore (and in my opinion, much more importantly) if you live on a college campus that is diverse, you'll be more likely to associate with a diverse group when you leave college (there is research to back this up). If you live on a homogenous college campus, then you'll naturally gravitate toward the same kind of people after college. This, of course, is the root of racism. When people never interact with other races/ethnicities/lifestyles first-hand they can't help but treat them as an idea rather than a human being. I can't imagine how anyone could think of a diverse campus as a bad thing. Honestly, I think it's just thinly-veiled racism sneaking through.</p>
<p>race: white
gender: male
economic background:middle-class
parents education level: dad-masters mom-masters
SAT score: 1400 (old)
GPA: 96.46/100
class rank: top 5%
affirmative action based on race: bad
affirmative action based on economic background: ok</p>
<p><<<blacks and="" hispanics="" do="" better="" academically="" once="" they="" are="" in="" stable="" learning="" environment="">>></blacks></p>
<p>doesn't EVERYONE do better in a stable learning environment? hence the name "stable learning environment"?</p>
<p>Lets not get into a debate, the bottom line is that AA is a good thing that will continue for years to come.</p>
<p>AA insults the hard work of my parents to make the money they have and to make a better life for me (And the work of my mother who does her all everyday to help underprivilged mostly minority children as a teacher in a low income city school). It insults the labors of my ancestors who weren't given a check when they got off the boat, nor a white collar, well-paying job. They didn't speak English like most of our white ancestors but they labored and each generation was more successful then the next. Look at all the racism white immigrants faced, but they labored through it.</p>
<p>AA encourages medicority both among minorities and whites. I can sit back and instead of saying I should have taken a couple more SAT practice tests or maybe studied harder or done more HW I can say, "well if only I was a URM (and it would be true)." Minorities believe they don't have to work as hard because they are entitled.</p>
<p>It does not make up for racism in society because the rich white CEO who wants to protect the good old boy network doesn't care in the slightest if a black man has an MBA from Harvard or a Engineering degree from MIT. He ain't gettin hired.</p>
<p>We aren't talking about the minority who gets 900. We are talking about the kid who gets a 1330 and gets into Georgetown and Stanford. Clearly that person has been given a chance to do well and has gotten a very respectable score. They can go to a fine institution and advance themselves. But they are not more deserving then a white kid with 100 more in SATs.</p>
<p>If a restuarant can't choose to serve who it wants based on race then neither can a college- that is the bottom line.</p>
<p>Preference for one race over another simply is not acceptable. It is racism.</p>
<p>I'm tired of the double standard held by self rightous people and those minorities (not many but lets face it they are vocal) who believe that the whip hit them.</p>
<p>This concludes my long overdue AA rant.</p>
<p>You've got it all wrong, I believe in affirmative action because it benefits me and I'm a selfish bastard--no other reason.
And can you really blame me?
:)</p>
<p>nope I would write it all over the paper if I could</p>
<p>"You might not buy this, but some psychologists theorize that being a member of a minority group (be it women, blacks, the poor, etc) in a society that marginalizes you causes you to incorporate society's toxic stereotypes into your own self-image, which negatively impacts your performance in a wide range of areas, including school"</p>
<p>what about the majority of Asians? their parents don't speak English very well at all, they are unfamiliar with US education system, they get insulted by rednecks, their parents work really really hard to get $ for their education........sometimes i wish i was black...at least you're American, so the jocks in ur HS dont call you "Yao Ming" and don't assume you were a geek...:(</p>
<p>one hispanic boy in my HS benefited from AA and got in Columbia.......yeah he's HISPANIC. He owns headphones that cost 170 dollars! He has like 4 mp3 players and his calculator is much better than mine!!!!!yet he benefited from AA. He and i both received the same level of education at our HS, no one discriminated him and he had a lot of friends. He was in NO WAY disadvantaged.......yet he benefited.......yet some of my Asian friends got unfortunate because of these so-called "URMs".....</p>
<p>AA exists when it comes to employment too. ibanks recruit at Howard University (a black school) as actively as they recruit at wharton, top ivies, UVa, UMich, g-town, USC, UNC, CMU............ yet howard students' average SAT is like 1034</p>
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<p>Because a diverse campus is fake. It's not a representation of anything real - it's all fake.</p>
<p>I believe people in forum are misguided in believing that all things are equal in this society; and that Blacks are being given an unfair advantage over Whites and others.</p>
<p>I don't hear anyone complaining about people who get into Harvard and Yale mainly because their parents attended these institutions. </p>
<p>It is vey easy to pick on Blacks for getting a little lift.</p>
<p>ok fine- legacy is a load of bull too but that was the forms topic</p>
<p>Spartan, you implied that a diverse campus is fake. How did you come up with this conclusion? please expand on this. </p>
<p>You need to travel a bit more and learn about other cultures. You have a narrow "point of view". I am not surprised. I would not be surprised if you have never spent quality time outside the US.</p>
<p>America will become more diverse in order to compete. Colleges need to become representative of the population. The Hispanic population is now growing at a fast rate.There will invariably be a need to have more HYP and Stanford educated hispanics.</p>
<p>race: mexican-american
gender: female
economic bac kground:middle-class
parents education level: dad-high school mom-associate's, currently working on bachelor's
SAT score: 1420 ACT: 33
GPA: 4.1 W 3.9 UW
class rank: 4/80
affirmative action based on race: good
affirmative action based on economic background: great</p>
<p>The reasons I like AA based on race are because it creates diversity in the campus. Also, URM's are called URM's for a reason. They are underrepresented. There needs to be more blacks, mexicans, and native americans in colleges, especially HYPS. Going to these colleges will give them better chances of success and put more minorities into well-paying jobs and also put more into government jobs. These minorites will then have the connections and means to help their children be successful. I dont think AA should go on forever, just until things are more evened out between the races and the average incomes of URM's aren't so much lower than that of whites.
Also, economic AA doesnt even need to be justified. Many people not as well off definitely have a tougher time in high school and may not be able to pay for academic summer camps and SAT test prep, etc.</p>
<p>"I don't hear anyone complaining about people who get into Harvard and Yale mainly because their parents attended these institutions. </p>
<p>It is vey easy to pick on Blacks for getting a little lift."</p>
<p>I actually don't hate legacy much at all. (I dont have any) The legacy kids have better stats, and a lot of them get in since their parents give the schools money. without money, how the hell can you run a college?</p>
<p>Diversity is bull. a lot of schools are self-segregated...even if they have large amount of URMs....The real diveristy if the diversity in talent, experience, and interest. Diversity in color doesn't mean crap. In Japan and China, all universities are filled with 99% Asians, yet the students don't feel lack of diversity.</p>
<p>"They are underrepresented. There needs to be more blacks, mexicans, and native americans in colleges, especially HYPS."</p>
<p>That's pure elitism bull......you don't need to go to HYPS to get great education. As long as you are willing to learn, you can get a good education in almost every school......Sadly, a lot of the URMs at HYPS don't have the passion to learn at all.</p>
<p>You seem very young, and I feel sorry for you. Good luck in your bubble.</p>
<p>ctrain890-thank you for saying it.</p>
<p>"You seem very young, and I feel sorry for you. Good luck in your bubble"</p>
<p>I'm 18 years old and still growing. What don't you agree with in my posts></p>
<p>I'm going to have to agree with untilted in this case. White people have faced as many if not more challenges than "URM's", but have stood tall and conquered them. AA is simply discrimination against whites and asians. I'd much rather go to a school with a less diverse campus, but with blacks and hispanics who have worked just as hard as me instead of a so-called "diverse" campus where countless extremely qualified whites and asians were rejected just to accomodate URM's supposedly for the purpose of "diversity".</p>