I am sick of ppl complaining about Affirmative Action!!

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<p>Ok, b4 you ppl start rounding up on me, I am not black or hispanic. I'm an Asian male who AA also really affects. (note the name, Hope2getrice). I am just tired of my peers and fellow CCer's who are obviously either white or Asian, complaining about how AA ruins their chances at colleges. </p>

<p>Think about it. If your middle-or-upper class and you can afford to hire SAT tutors and any other resource you may need, getting a 4.0 GPA is not that much of a surprise. In fact, if I had those resources, I could have maxed out my entire High School's curriculum my now.
Students who have no resources and no way of support for studies are respected for getting a 3.6 or 3.8 because of that fact. I never want to hear anyone ragging on AA again. Especially not some white elitist snobs who are only unhappy that "mummy" or "daddy" can't pay their way for them to college.
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those ppl worked harder with less resources than you ever did, so they should be applauded, not envied.</p>

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<p>what about me (poor white guy)?</p>

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<p>I agree. I am asian and still got into top 15 schools. AA only affects a small part of the admissions. Only time it will actually decide whether you get in or not is if they had to choose between you and a minority.</p>

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<p>there hasn't been a thread on AA in weeks</p>

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<p>yeah...but many ppl in my school (I'm poor but I rent an apartment in one fo the richest areas in the state) complain.</p>

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<p>Your argument contains an assumption, a premise that is never made clear. In this case, you are assuming that all (or even most) whites and Asians are moderately wealthy, and all (or most) hispanics, blacks, and other groups are poor. This assumption leads to an enthymeme, an argument with a supposed premise.
assumption = ethymeme = ambiguity = poor logic
I do wish they taught logic in schools. </p>

<p>That said, affirmative action is obviously pointless when applied to race because income, not your race, is the direct factor. Thus, affirmative action should ideally be based on income. The problem? How can admissions officers be need-blind and yet still recruit less affluent applicants?</p>

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<p>I agree with IBClass.</p>

<p>IMO, i dont like the current affirmative action. It benefits some people (SOME) who basically get another advantage because of it.</p>

<p>For instance, in my school district located approximately 30 miles away from New York City in a relatively wealthy suberb, there are many asians and indians who have immigrated from foreign countries. Furthermore, we have a fairly large percentage of african americans attending my school. The average SAT of my school is well above the national average and many students go on to attend top schools, including all of the ivies. Now the minorities of my school are capable of performing well on their SAT's, have a great GPA and are given an extra boost because of their backgrounds. </p>

<p>Now I am a white male, my parents both immigrated from Italy, but on my applications I put caucasion. I have been given the exact same opportunities and chances as the ethnic groups of my school but because of my skin color, there is a very high possibility that they will be accepted over me because of their ethnicities. Many of us are applying to the same schools and we all have similar stats. No one school can accept all qualified applicants from a particular high school.</p>

<p>Whether you choose to agree with me or not, I am getting the raw end of the deal simply because my family is from Italy and not Asia/Africa.
I dont complain but I think it defeats the purpose of my application sometimes. </p>

<p>If you dont believe me, I want you to think of it like this. Suppose you and 2 other caucasion students apply to Emory College in Georgia. Emory has 3 spots left and its between you 3 guys. You are all from the same high school, but one caucasion student has an extremely strong transcript/application. This student gets accepted to Emory and now its between the other 2,. you, an asian, and the other student, who is caucasion. You both have equal SAT's GPA and EC's, but maybe his essay is slightly better then yours, but they will accept you because they must diversify their student body.</p>

<p>Before you pounce on me, my group of friends resemble th UN. I have indians, muslims, blacks, asians...the whole mix as my friends. So im not a racist or anything like that. Its just logically, affirmative action doesnt do many people justice.</p>

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<p>^^ SECONDED WITH IBclass06. I'm poor as heck and asian.</p>

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<p>actually, adcoms can usually figure out an applicants economic status and do take it into consideration. the problem with cc is that a lot of people make unqualified statements and know very little if at all about affirmative action beyond what they divine.</p>

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<p>AA really has nothing to do with fairness. It is a way to make reparations for past actions against African Americans and increase diversity within the college itself. I used to be strongly against AA, but as time passes on, you can see there is really no use arguing against it.</p>

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<p>We have already made reparations by taking down racial barriers and giving them access to public and private education on all levels. To extend the reparations beyond that is rediculous since it interferes with the general "welfare" of other members of society.</p>

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<p>I agree with those who said that you made an assumption. I am a recent immigrant, live in a dirt-poor neighborhood, my local schools have a 50% drop-out rate, and what do you think I will put on my college application? Caucasian. I am white, much like all of those teenagers whose parents finished colleges in the U.S., took 10 years to build their careers, and bought a comfy house in the suburbs.
I have a friend whose mom is Mexican but has graduated from Cornell and whose dad is white and has graduated from Harvard. She puts hispanic on her application and those supporting AA will be more than happy to jump to conclusions about her oh-so-difficult life.</p>

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<p>once again with the unqualified statements...</p>

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<p>^ so enlighten us please - how can they figure out our economic situation?
I actually don't feel strongly about the issue because I will not be applying to top-tier schools where it will matter so much.</p>

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<p>filmxoxo17, after all your posts about "unqualified" statements, can you please provide some insight into why race is a factor in college admissions. Yes, maybe AA is a method to fix past problems such as segregation but keep in mind that it is the year 2005 and not 1960. I was not the person who supported segregation and I am totally against any form of discrimination. I simply do not see why race is a factor in college admissions. Family finances maybe be a factor. But not race. </p>

<p>There was recently an African American student at my school who got into Harvard, Yale, and MIT. He was middle class and his stats were not spectacular. Any Asian or white student who applied with his stats would have had his application thrown into the garbage. Is this fair? This student was not poor. His family could definitely walk on their own two feet but the college chose to specially accept him because of his heritage. And don't give me some statement about diversity. What does diversity have to do with anything. We are all humans after all. It would be nice to see a poor, disadvantaged kid grow up to be in a professional position. But race doesnt have anything to do with this.</p>

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<p>I don't like AA (even though people may think as an Asian immigrant, I may benetif from AA), but there is nothing more we can do. The core problem is that a college can't take in every qualified applicant and you have to be special to stand out.</p>

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<p>Wayman, Dooit and others complaining about AA.
First Wayman you did not give Blacks reparations by allowing them to go
To public universities, Blacks pay taxes just like you. Blacks helped to
build this country so they are therefore entitled to proportional representation in US colleges. Many famous Slaveowners financed Harvard, Brown etc. with the sweet, tears and blood of African Americans.</p>

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<p>Darn that AA!</p>

<p>There.........</p>

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<p>Guys this thread is truly pointless
there is no need to argue about AA, for it is not going to change anything. AA is now part of college admissions so deal with it. Life is not fair but it seems we all have good lives when compares to those in the past.</p>

<p>BTW im poor and half black/white</p>

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<p>UVA for example should have a student body that is 50% African American. UVA founder Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite. He spoke of liberty for Whites while constantly raping Black women on his plantation- Sally Hemmings and others. James Monroe another UVA benefactor was known to have father many Black children not through love but rape. One ended Up as President of Liberia in Africa- and Incidentally named Liberia's capital Monrovia after his father.</p>

<p>Remember cotton was King from 1756 to 1865. Blacks were the cotton mules. Without Black labor there would have been no Virginia. The British would have taken their investment elsewhere.</p>