<p>What is wrong with white men being the hegemonic powers in this country?
You know, white people still make up 67.4% of the country's population.</p>
<p>Quit bashing white men.
"As long as ANY specific gender and race maintain ownership over this country, AA will be necessary." - please elaborate.</p>
<p>Eff you. </p>
<p>What's wrong is that you're getting one mindset and tend to get one modus operandi that is supposed to govern a very diverse and complex population. Not only that, but if we're talking about understanding one another and having some peace and unity, you probably aren't going to get it from the one demographic that is historically responsible for a lot of the discontent and disparity in the country. </p>
<p>AA seems to give people equally opportunity. If you make white people the standard, then by default you'll need something like AA to counteract that.</p>
<p>AA gives URMs more opportunity to bypass standards held for other applicants.
It does not give everyone equal opportunity.</p>
<p>"AA gives URMs more opportunity to bypass standards held for other applicants. It does not give everyone equal opportunity."</p>
<p>Amen to that</p>
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As long as white men are the hegemonic powers in this country, AA will always be necessary. As long as ANY specific gender and race maintain ownership over this country, AA will be necessary.</p>
<p>The only thing stupid is people trying their hardest to disprove the relevance of AA.
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This is quite interesting.</p>
<p>Define a specific outline when AA will no longer be neccessary, please. Is it going to be demographically controlled? IE: Only be 65% of the CEOs in the US can be white? Prison populations match demographics? Should basketball teams be a demographic picture of racial harmony? Do I really have to continue illustrating the pure idiocy of this line of thought?</p>
<p>"Define a specific outline when AA will no longer be neccessary, please. Is it going to be demographically controlled? IE: Only be 65% of the CEOs in the US can be white? Prison populations match demographics? Should basketball teams be a demographic picture of racial harmony? Do I really have to continue illustrating the pure idiocy of this line of thought?"</p>
<p>The basketball team argument was actually mentioned in another thread. It illustrates how dumb AA is. While the NBA is 90% black, no one cares about diversifying it. Yet, when the 2006 Winter Olympics were broadcast, people kept commenting about the paucity of black winter olympians (including Bryant Gumbel). I smell a "double standard."</p>
<p>Mr. Payne, you bring up some good points. You should really check out the spuer-applicants thread in the parents forum. It has truned into yet another AA debate.</p>
<p>Hepstar, you turned it into another AA debate. Do you have an adgenda or something?</p>
<p>maybe^
she/he hates AA, and with just cause.</p>
<p>I don't have an agenda. I just don't see any other possible reason for the 2400 girl getting deferred besides the fact that she was Asian. I know this is getting repetitive but I'll say it again: if a URM had a 2400 on the SAT and the same exact EC's as the 2400 girl from the article, he/she wouldn't have been deferred.</p>
<p>Okay, she wasn't rejected. What about Jian Li? He had a 2400 SAT and a 2390 on his SAT II exams. His parents were immigrants, so he had the challenge of adusting to American life: learning the language, culture, etc. His staus as a first-generation American having to adjust could surely count as a disadvanatge. AA claims to help the disadvantaged students. If this is true, why then was he rejected from MIT, Princeton. Harvard, Upenn, and Stanford. Do you really think this would've happened to a URM with the same credentials?</p>
<p>All I'm saying is that the results of the super-applicants article reflect what AA does. It hurt the 2400 Asian girl and the 2230 white girl.</p>
<p>^^
I wouldn't be so sure. On CC there was a black kid with 2350 (and good rank) who was rejected at a slew of ivies and only offered admission to Duke and Cornell. (Lol, I am saying only Duke and Cornell) But, you get the point. Good SAT scores don't guarantee you a spot at elite schools no matter what race you are.</p>
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You are assuming that socioeconomic issues are of greater importance than racial ones.
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<p>Have you done research on this issue? I did a ton on it when I had a debate topic on school funding, and I'd say that socioeconomic issues are far greater concerns than racial ones when it comes to education.</p>
<p>"I wouldn't be so sure. On CC there was a black kid with 2350 (and good rank) who was rejected at a slew of ivies and only offered admission to Duke and Cornell. (Lol, I am saying only Duke and Cornell) But, you get the point. Good SAT scores don't guarantee you a spot at elite schools no matter what race you are."</p>
<p>Do you believe everything you see on CC? I know someone who has created a phony ID with phony stats on this site just to see how many people he could fool. Believe it or not, many CCers actually believed his stats.</p>
<p>^Well, why would that kid make up something like that? I thought that people created fake stats to appear smarter, so they would say they got in everywhere. Why would he create stats to show how he got rejected at numerous universities?</p>
<p>Another thing, isn't Jian Li currently attending Yale? Yale isn't TOO shabby. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>"Another thing, isn't Jian Li currently attending Yale? Yale isn't TOO shabby."</p>
<p>Yeah, but if he was a URM, I'm sure he would have had his pick of Princeton, which seems to have been his #1 coice since that's who he is suing.</p>
<p>Wait...you can sue schools for not accepting you?</p>
<p>Please tell me they're trying to get rid of AA by doing that...otherwise, that's pathetic.</p>
<p>no he isn't doing it to get rid of AA
but Boston Univ.'s College Republicans group offers a scholarship for anyone who is 1/4th white in an attempt to ridicule AA!</p>
<p>"no he isn't doing it to get rid of AA"</p>
<p>How true. He is doing it because AA screwed him over.</p>
<p>^^
Lol, but to be serious. A urm can be denied from a top school with a 2300+ SAT score. It may not be as likely as an Asian/White applicant but it is still extremely possible. It would be naive to say "Wow Top 10%, 2300, Black, in at EVERY Ivy."</p>
<p>If a black/hispanic/native american person had Jian Li's stats, he/she would've been accepted IMO. If you still disagree, FedFredBurger, find me a URM with perfect SAT scores who was rejected from a top college.</p>
<p>That would be hard to find I conceede. But, it is hard to find a URM with 2400 in the first place. (And you're gonna say so that is what fuels aa in college admissions)</p>