<p>who thinks that affirmative action has affected this year's Early Action pool? I sure do. Let discuss it here.</p>
<p>another AA thread? well, this only the 1,000,000th thread on that topic...</p>
<p>not for chapel hill.</p>
<p>i'd say that it's probably no question that affirmative action has affected acceptances, but i suppose you're wondering whether people find these effects positive or negative.</p>
<p>this topic has been run to the ground, but i do feel that affirmative action is a valuable tool for ensuring diversity.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts, leetxy?</p>
<p>Affirmative action is racism. And finally the government is realizing that.</p>
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Affirmative action is racism.
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and sexism, and "geographicism"...</p>
<p>Ya, and grade-ism and extracurricular-ism. Plus Pell grant gives the edge to poor people. Screw that. AA ensures that sheltered little white kids from the burbs can know a tiny taste of something they are unfamiliar with which prepares them for a life out of mommy's apron pocket.</p>
<p>Affirmative Action is racism? Are you serious?</p>
<p>I had a lecture here at UNC on how affirmative action is great and necessary. I strongly oppose it, but I think it is used heavily around here.</p>
<p>I wouldn't call it "racism" but there is a definite prejudice against Asians in AA.</p>
<p>Prejudice?
AA wasn't meant to help everyone, remember Asians do outnumber Whites in many top notch schools says basically the whole UC System and Stanford, Asians are not an underrepresented minority in higher education anymore partly because of AA and this trend will soon happen to Indians, so to say that it is unfair is a little much.</p>
<p>No one should be "helped" based on his or her race. And I am serious that it's racism. If whites and Asians outnumber blacks and Hispanics at colleges, so be it. Should we have a quota on religions? Or hair colors?</p>
<p>The reasoning on AA is not strictly based on color of skin, more on opportunities. People will always find something to argue about. I personally don't like AA but I know that without it many people would not have the CHANCE to go to college. AA only becomes a problems when whites and asians feel that have been wronged. Would you argue that it is wrong for the wealthy to be admitted to Ivys or even private universities based on their money?</p>
<p>What about the discrimination with athletes being let in with less qualifications? It is in the best interest of the university to have a diverse student body and as diverse as Carolina is compared to its peers, it really isn't diverse.</p>
<p>jut a comment about AA and asians: at UNC, being asian probably helps you at admissions.</p>
<p>anyways, answering the OPs Q, yea AA probably did affect admissions. It does at basically every school that does not deliberately state otherwise, and even then racial bias is inevitable</p>
<p>I disagree with you said, y7bbb6. Hypothetically, if I had selected Unknown instead of Asian American on the UNC app, would I have had a better chance?</p>
<p>I was deferred btw, and I know several white people and ESPECIALLY blacks who got in with mediocre credentials.</p>
<p>Personally, I think there are many ways to get a diverse student body w/o resulting to AA. That's just my own personal feeling. Someone mentioned UCs, and the large Asian body there, but honestly most students are fine with that. My brother is a white male at UCB; his frosh year, he roomed with 3 Asians. His thoughts on Asians being the majority there: "If they're smart enough to get in, they deserve to be here." I have a black friend who likewise attended Cal, only this time in the 80s, when AA was prevalent in the UC system. He told me that he sometimes felt ashamed walking around campus, because he knew he wouldn't have gotten in w/o AA, and felt less qualified than 75% of the student body. So I guess it does help increase diversity, but it just seems wrong compromising intellect for skin color. Not to make the mistake that many, many URMs don't deserve to be there, bc they do. But just like they can't help their skin color, neither can whites/Asians/Indians, etc. What it has basically come to is reverse discrimination, and I cannot support discrimination of any kind. What UNC should do is simply increase its minority outreach program; Michigan is giving record amounts of scholarships to maintain its diversity after the banning of AA last year. Not just scholarships for racial diversity, but also for geographic, international, etc. There are ways to do it, but the university has to put the effort into finding a solution.</p>
<p>how are minority scholarships not reverse discrimination? </p>
<p>and leetxy, i do not understand what you wrote.</p>
<p>in case my post was not clear, i meant that asians get AA because there are so few of them at UNC. just like BC. damnit i'm a product of AA!</p>
<p>With minority scholarships, those are given to you AFTER you have been admitted on your own merit. The ethnicity part of the applications is separated from the stats, essays, etc. So not until you have gotten in, and your app is sent to the financial aid office, do they award you for being a minority. I suppose you could still consider it a form of AA, but a less severe one, IMO.</p>