<p>^^
preach on!!</p>
<p>There are multiple empirical studies that shows that diversity in the classroom helps everyone, in some cases, whites more than minorities! It’s so important to have a diverse college incoming class, that even the Supreme Court says that diversity is a “compelling” interest.</p>
<p>“You don’t see legacies who get accepted ashamed of their parent. You don’t see recruited athletes ashamed of their sport.”</p>
<p>Hey, that’s what I said yesterday!</p>
<p>legacy admits are just affirmative action for rich white folk. Just the people who need it. /sarcasm</p>
<p>calm down everyone. go read the affirmative action forum if you feel so strongly about it. it has a lot of interesting points you should read. </p>
<p>My advice is that tell them because it’s not that a big of a deal, and if they blame it on AA then oh well… btw it’s not going to stop and people in the future especially in the more prestigious colleges will always have people who will look at you in that angle, and you know what? so what.</p>
<p>^Is there an “affirmative action” forum? </p>
<p>I have not seen it, but the usual AA threads seem to have a different demographic and perspective than the African-American Students forum.</p>
<p>AA is wrong. Don’t try to deny it.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/african-american-students/1083191-affirmative-action-unfair-advantage-deserved-provision.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/african-american-students/1083191-affirmative-action-unfair-advantage-deserved-provision.html</a></p>
<p>be proud of who you are ! so what if they talk behind your back? its all jealousy ! you worked hard and you deserve those acceptances regardless of race . congrats !</p>
<p>@ Woeshie, I can easily say that I do not believe AA is wrong. The only thing that is wrong is when URM who’s ancestors weren’t continually discriminated against in America’s past or those that already have access to top high school educations and resources try to rely on it. I could go into why I believe it is necessary, but this article summarizes it well: [</a>" + artTitle.replace(“-”,“”) + " - " + “The Observer” + " - " + “Viewpoint” + "](<a href=“http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/2.2756/debating-the-merits-of-affirmative-action-1.274060]”>http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/2.2756/debating-the-merits-of-affirmative-action-1.274060)
If you think it is wrong, please don’t include your race and ethnicity on all of your applications.</p>
<p>To address the OP original concern, I’d like to say that, unfortunately, you’ll always encounter “friends” that think this way. Even in college, i’ve had people try (eventually failing, of course) to argue that I took “someone elses” place. You’ll be surprise how prevalent ignorance is.</p>
<p>I’m a junior, but I’m going to do the same thing. Not tell anyone except the college I ultimately choose. </p>
<p>When I told people I’m applying to “higher up” schools they said “oh you’re black you’ll get in.”
It really is degrading. I’ve worked my butt of this whole time. It’s not like I’m last in my class, I’m 6th. So being black doesn’t have a huge affect on where I get accepted to, especially not the women’s colleges which are diverse anyway, towards EVERYONE. </p>
<p>I’ll just tell everyone I’m not saying. They’ll be upset. But oh well. I’ll tell my 2 closest non-minority friends, they wouldn’t judge me that way, and they aren’t trying to attend ivies or anything, just more down to earth schools that they fit into. </p>
<p>Good luck to all, and no matter what, we’ve worked hard and deserve everything we get.</p>
<p>EDIT: not checking the ethnicity box seems sketchy to colleges. And if you do an interview, they’ll know. But why shouldn’t we check the box? There’s no shame is declaring your ethnicity no matter what it is</p>
<p>EDIT AGAIN: notre dame, AA isn’t linked to past discrimination only. Racism and prejudice are prevalent, no matter if you came here yesterday or your family has been here forever. Just saying. People who are truly prejudiced don’t care when you/your family came. Black is black. Hispanic is Hispanic. Etc is etc</p>
<p>I suggested to not check the box only if you think AA “is wrong”, as some have suggested. And I am aware that discriminaton is still felt today, however, “African Americans”, Native Americans, and such have seen generational discrimination in this country, which has resulted in compounded setbacks for a disporportionate amount of these groups. Every generation up to me in my family has faced institutionalized racism and discrimination while living in the U.S. This is not the case for first or second generation American minorities, many of whom are disporportionately represented at “Elite colleges”</p>
<p>I understand what you were saying, I wasn’t necessarily trying to refute you. But yeah, ~40% of the ivies are made up of Africans. Either way, prejudiced people will still see them as black. But they do perform better than black Americans. It’s sad how our culture (and other Minority-American cultures) doesn’t value education like white culture.</p>
<p>EDIT: returning to the OP. you don’t have to tell anyone anything. Not even the school you ultimately choose. But don’t be “afraid.”</p>
<p>I wouldn’t necessarily say that it’s “white culture” that emphasizes education because there are extreme poor whites and extreme rich whites and based on which ever one you end up, you end up with different expectations. the whole emphasizing education thing definitely goes with a lot of the asian culture which will explain why they tend to emphasize more on school and grades, which puts pressure on kids to do well, which explains the high rates of asians in top colleges</p>
<p>How about showing those people that doubt your qualifications or “worthiness” in being admitted to your colleges how wrong they are by actually graduating? The college graduation rates have not been too impressive for URMs and tend to lend weight to the argument that AA is responsible for admitting less qualified and prepared applicants.</p>
<p>^That depends on which college you’re looking at: [Black</a> Student College Graduation Rates Inch Higher But the Large Racial Gap Persists](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/preview/winter07preview.html]Black”>http://www.jbhe.com/preview/winter07preview.html)</p>
<p>“I’ve worked my butt of this whole time. It’s not like I’m last in my class, I’m 6th. So being black doesn’t have a huge affect on where I get accepted to”</p>
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<li><p>How do you know how much of a factor race will be play in you admissions?</p>
<ul>
<li>Lots of kids work their butts off and graduate above #6, and still don’t get admitted to top schools</li>
<li>This sense of entitlement - - not ack value of your the hook/boost - -is what many White studnets resent; working hard and good grades may put you in the game, but you need something more for admission to top schools: legacy, race, athletics, etc.</li>
<li>You shouldn’t end with a preposition (“where I get admitted,” not “where I get admitted to”)</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>
<p>Oh goodness. ^^</p>
<p>Why should we be ashamed of a “boost”? Like other posters said, athletes/legacies aren’t ashamed.</p>
<p>nyc, not experiencing shame means entitlement? I can see if you are saying not all African Americans appreciate (as in “to see”) the size of the “boost” some people seem to be sure of, but I can’t remember ever seeing one of these students express “entitlement.”</p>
<p>That student said “not huge”; someone who resents her might say it’s “huge.” Who defines huge? We don’t even know what school’s she’s talking about!</p>
<p>Overall grad rate…
[Black</a> Student College Graduation Rates Inch Higher But the Large Racial Gap Persists](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/preview/winter07preview.html]Black”>http://www.jbhe.com/preview/winter07preview.html)
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