<p>Throughout this thread, the law school rankings are probably the only thing I would agree with Rabban on.</p>
<p>**MBA schools better than NYU: Stanford, HBS, Wharton, Kellogg, Columbia, Tuck, MIT, UChicago, UMichigan, UVA, Duke, UCLA, Berkeley, Yale, Cornell. **</p>
<p>can we really say that? I mean, can we really say that Yale, Cornell, Duke, UVA, Ross, MIT, etc's MBA is better than Stern? I think they all fall in the same league. </p>
<p>From the people I've known, all the ones going to Cal/Berkeley were rejected at Kellogg, Tuck, UVA.
interesting how berkeley has shifted from having excellent student body to reject crops... Berkeley-Haas reported that the freshmen have an average GMAT of 707. Do the 3 mentioned b-schools have higher than 707?</p>
<p>I have the hard copy of the Berkeley-Haas MBA brochure and some of the sudents have profile which say they have picked Haas over schools like Stanford, hbs, columbia and wharton.</p>
<p>Well, I'm just telling you what I've seen from the application results of my friends and colleagues. Maybe, it's changed in the last few years. I have no idea what the current GMAT avg for any of schools is anymore, only that the scale has somewhat changed; which is why schools' avg have been going up. When I was applying, no school's avg was > 700 except for Stanford. Also, bear in mind that GMAT for b-school is less determinant of acceptance than SAT is for UG. </p>
<p>It depends what you mean by the same league. In comparing notes from colleagues from NYU, I noticed that the decision science courses at Kellogg, Tuck, MIT didn't seem like they were part of the curriculum at Stern.</p>
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Does Princeton offer a law degree that is considered ?second to none?? No. So that?s a minus there. Does Princeton offer MBA? No! Another minus for Princeton. What about Electrical Engineering? No! Another Minus. Medicine? No! Another minus.
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<p>That's like saying Ferrari's are crap cars because they don't offer a line of pick-up trucks.</p>
<p>"That's like saying Ferrari's are crap cars because they don't offer a line of pick-up trucks."</p>
<p>Do most people in other countries know that Princeton is = to Ferrari???</p>
<p>Or do they even know what Ferrari is? </p>
<p>top 6-20 schools are certainly not just pick-up tracks... maybe schools belonging to tier 4 but certainly not the top 6 - 20 or so.......</p>
<p>Yeah guys, I think he's right... Princeton sucks (but I like it) ... and Ferraris suck too (I like them too)...</p>
<p>Jk jk, but seriously though, for graduate school, the best ones are probably Harvard, Stanford, and Berkeley</p>
<p>True story though, when I was in China, I told people I was deciding between applying to Harvard, Princeton, and MIT early, and when I mentioned Harvard/MIT, everyone knew those schools immediately, but not a lot of people had heard of Princeton.</p>
<p>Damn guys, do you ever give up? If you like a school or know great things about it, then what does it matter what other people think?</p>
<p>Also, Berkeley is the best college AND university in the nation. That's right, it's better than Harvard.</p>
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top 6-20 schools are certainly not just pick-up tracks... maybe schools belonging to tier 4 but certainly not the top 6 - 20 or so...
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<p>my analogy was not a put down on pick-up trucks. talk about missing the point.</p>
<p>here is the analogy:</p>
<p>car manufacturer A makes a full line of commercial vehicles: coupes, sedans, SUVs and pickup trucks (let's call this a research university).</p>
<p>vs.</p>
<p>car manufacturer B only focuses on coupes and/or sedans (i.e. no pick-up trucks or SUVs) - (e.g. let's call those undergraduate focused universities such as Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown or LACs)</p>
<p>now when i pointed to your earlier comment:
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Does Princeton offer a law degree that is considered ?second to none?? No. So that?s a minus there. Does Princeton offer MBA? No! Another minus for Princeton. What about Electrical Engineering? No! Another Minus. Medicine? No! Another minus.
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<p>I responded by saying: "That's like saying Ferrari's are crap cars because they don't offer a line of pick-up trucks."</p>
<p>In other words, how can you say that car manufacturer A is > than B just because it makes pick-up trucks and B doesn't? As a case and point, my illustrative example pointed to the automotive excellence of Ferrari - i.e. it doesn't make pick-up trucks (in fact it doesn't make that many cars per year period), but so what? Do you think that Ferrari's smaller line-up (relative to other automakers) takes anything away from Ferrari's excellence? Anyone who knows anything about cars knows that Ferrari is one of the finest automakers in the world (engine, design, performance, racing history). Hence, Princeton doesn't have a law, business or medical school - but that hasn't stopped Princeton from being recognized as one of the finest academic institutions in the world - in fact, you could argue (and I do) that the fact that Princeton has achieved such a high level of recognition for academic excellence (i mean come on, let's give some credit where credit is due: USNWR no. 1 ranking seven years running) - continuing to attract the best and the brightest to this very day despite lacking all three major professional grad schools (the only Ivy without all three - med/law/business) underscores its relative strength vs. research oriented schools rather than the other way around.</p>
<p>"Damn guys, do you ever give up? If you like a school or know great things about it, then what does it matter what other people think?"</p>
<p>Especially when the people you're talking about aren't even from your country and therefore don't have any perspective on the subject.</p>
<p>Yeah, I thought the same about missing the point.</p>
<p>"Especially when the people you're talking about aren't even from your country and therefore don't have any perspective on the subject."</p>
<p>Consider the schools are stores. they attract customers in-state, OOS and international. it is every school's concern to build good image internationally. Int'l students fascinate US schools too just like americans fascinate german cars or japanese game machines. just sharing...</p>
<p>i need to sign out now.</p>
<p>1 - Amherst
2 - HYPS, MIT, Caltech
3 - Columbia, UPenn
4 - Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown
5-360 - Every other school
361 - Williams</p>
<p>MAYBE I'm a little biased, but...</p>
<p>In a different catagory, but right up there on the prestige meter are the US Service Academies.</p>
<p>If you were going to rank them in order of prestige by the gerenal public it would probably go:</p>
<p>West Point (Army)
Annapolis (Navy)
Air Force
Coast Guard
Kings Point (Merchant Marine)</p>
<p>If you were to rank them by consensus of folks inside the community it would be</p>
<p>What ever school you or your kid is going to then</p>
<p>West Point
Annapolis
Kings Point
Coast Guard
Air Force</p>
<p>LFWB dad, where in your opinion would the Citadel and VMI rank in addition to the US Service Academies?</p>
<p>VMI and the Citadel are great schools as is Norwich University (which was the first private military college in the country) and as are the state Maritime Academies.</p>
<p>The fundamental difference between those schools and the US Service Academies is that you do not have the obligation to serve upon graduation, unless you are on some sort of ROTC scholarship. Whereas at the five Academies you are committed to a minimum of five years active duty.</p>
<p>Also, while admission to VMI and the Citadel is competitive, it is not nearly as competitive as it is to get into the five US Service Academies.</p>
<p>All that having been said, I reiterate that they are great schools with fine traditions that produce outstanding officers.</p>
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Second to none IF the international student is interested in the undergrad level. But notice that the OP said ?undergrad and grad combined?. Does Princeton offer a law degree that is considered ?second to none?? No. So that?s a minus there. Does Princeton offer MBA? No! Another minus for Princeton. What about Electrical Engineering? No! Another Minus. Medicine? No! Another minus.
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<p>Uh, first off, Princeton does have electrical engineering. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ee.princeton.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://www.ee.princeton.edu/</a></p>
<p>In fact, Princeton's graduate EE is ranked #11 according to USNews. You can see that for yourself if you get the premium edition of USNews. </p>
<p>But secondly, I find your logic to be flawed. Take MIT. MIT doesn't have a law school or a medical school. MIT doesn't have most humanities PhD programs, and is lacking many prominent social science PhD programs (i.e. it lacks a PhD program in sociology or anthropology). </p>
<p>But I would hardly call MIT to be 'unprestigious', especially for international students. Heck, from what I have found, if anything, MIT has the 2nd most powerful international brand name of any US school (behind, of course, the big 'H'). This, despite lacking entire swaths of graduate programs. </p>
<p>For example, I think it's safe to say that MIT is more prestigious internationally than, say, the University of Michigan or UCLA. Yet Michigan and UCLA have top-ranked med schools, top-ranked law schools, and complete suites of PHD programs in the humanities and social sciences (in addition to the top ranked science, engineering, and business schools that MIT has). So according to your logic, Michigan and UCLA should be more prestigious than MIT is, because of the greater breadth of graduate schools, right? So why isn't that the case?</p>
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interesting how berkeley has shifted from having excellent student body to reject crops... Berkeley-Haas reported that the freshmen have an average GMAT of 707. Do the 3 mentioned b-schools have higher than 707?</p>
<p>I have the hard copy of the Berkeley-Haas MBA brochure and some of the sudents have profile which say they have picked Haas over schools like Stanford, hbs, columbia and wharton.
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<p>Look at the yield ratings of the B-schools (available through Businessweek), and you will see that the Haas School yields about 50%, whereas the other schools mentioned yield over 70% (and HBS has an unbelieviable near 90%). Hence, half of the students who get admitted to Haas choose not to go. I think that's indicative of something. If Haas really was as good as those other schools, then why can't Haas yield more of its admittees? Apparently half of the admittees decided that Haas wasn't good enough for them. </p>
<p>And besides, of those that did choose to go to Haas, I am quite sure that some of them did it just for the in-state resident tuition subsidy, but not really because they thought it was a better school. Any school can increase yield by just cutting their costs to certain applicants. </p>
<p>Note, that's not to say that EVERY student will pick HBS/Stanford/etc. over Haas. Obviously you will get a mix. The question is, what do the bulk of people tend to prefer? I know people at Haas who have frankly said that they would rather be going to Harvard, but didn't get in. But I have yet to encounter a single person at Harvard who said that they would rather be going to Haas, but didn't get in. I am sure that if I searched hard enough, I would find such a person. But that's just it, it is far more common to find a person who prefers Harvard to Haas than vice versa. </p>
<p>Your invocation of the GMAT is not particularly meaningful, for the simple fact is, the GMAT is only a minor factor in terms of your getting admitted. Far more important is your work experience.</p>
<p>This is actually one of the stupidest discussions I've ever seen on here.</p>
<p>different schools offer different strengths for example if you wish to do buisness, you will go to penn instead of caltech O.o...</p>