After HYPS, then what??

TourGuide446 · January 14, 2007, 7:50pm

Strawberryfields: "This is actually one of the stupidest discussions I've ever seen on here."

Apparently Strawberryfields hasn't spent much time on the if-the-Ivy-League-added-2-schools thread.

vangie · January 14, 2007, 8:45pm

?my analogy was not a put down on pick-up trucks. talk about missing the point.?

the_prestige,

I apologize, I didn?t realize that instantly. I was very tired that time that I wasn?t concentrating on answering you.

Here was my point which you failed to get.

Prestige is a RELATIVE thing and I want you to please understand this very, very carefully. What you think is prestigious won?t necessarily be prestigious to other people. You believe that Ferrari is a prestigious car. I think so too. But for those people who live near the South Pole who needs trucks rather than sports cars? won?t think the same way we do. The hell they care about Ferrari when they don?t have a superhighway and many of their roads are even rough.

People around the world heard of Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Berkeley, Stanford, Yale, UCLA, NYU and Michigan. They think these are very prestigious schools. You may object and say whatever you want but I don?t think your words would mean much to them.

jags861 · January 14, 2007, 8:51pm

vangie,

your argument about the antartica people is incredibly flawed.

first - you're talking about an extremely limited pool of people. say...100 out of....6 billion.

secondly, the ferrari still is a "presitigous" car to have in antartica. the ferrari is as impracticle to have in new york city as it is in antartica - where are you going to drive it - especially at speeds over...30mph in manhattan? you're sitting in traffic more than your moving. yet its still a prestigious car no matter how impractical it may be.

same thing goes for schools. you may get just as good of an engineering education at Berkeley as you would get at MIT (just as you can get from point A to point B just as good in a BMW as you can in a Ferrari). but at the end of the day - if you had to pick which school you had a degree from (or which car to show off to your friends) - you'd pick MIT (ferrari).

darkhope · January 14, 2007, 9:02pm

vangie-publics (ucb, la) tend to have the world notice them because they r publics meaning so mannnnyyyy students are accepted into them. While harvey and pomona are both obviously better than ucb in most aspects, they tend to not get to be known throughout the world due to their small size and etc.
edit: check peer ratings through us news

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:09pm

?Uh, first off, Princeton does have electrical engineering.?

See? Princeton does offer courses which so many people all over the world are complete unaware about. What does this mean? That Princeton?s engineering program is NOT prestigious, cause otherwise, a lot of people would have known that it does have a school of engineering.

In fact, Princeton's graduate EE is ranked #11 according to USNews. You can see that for yourself if you get the premium edition of USNews.

I?m just curious. What?s your point of emphasizing its rank? Are you trying to say that ranked top1 school is as competitive as a top11 school?

But secondly, I find your logic to be flawed. Take MIT. MIT doesn't have a law school or a medical school. MIT doesn't have most humanities PhD programs, and is lacking many prominent social science PhD programs (i.e. it lacks a PhD program in sociology or anthropology).

I don?t think my logic is flawed, but the general perception of the people. People are biased to science, tech and engineering. They believe you are pretty smart if you?re good in math, chem., physics, engineering and you have discovered something. And much of the discoveries highlighted by media are those that are science and engineering based. That?s where MIT, Berkeley and Stanford built their reputation from. Furthermore, many people who succeed in life (whatever field they?re into) are encouraged to pursue MBA in either the US or UK. Princeton does not have a graduate business school. So, when people research about business schools, the word Princeton wouldn?t naturally come out. Another thing that you?re probably not aware about: Political leaders all over the world are encouraged to take up courses in the US or UK. Harvard (Kennedy School of Government) tops this followed by Berkeley, Oxford, LSE, Cambridge, Columbia, NYU, Michigan and UCLA. These people eventually become leaders in their respective countries. And again, Princeton couldn?t possibly be one of their choices in this area.

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:15pm

jags861,

Antarctica (South Pole) was just an example. OK, go to China, Mongolia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc, ect., and ask the people their in random if they have heard about Ferrari/Princeton.

I understand it's hard for you to believe because you are very familiar about Ferrari and Princeton. But what about those poeple who don't?

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:20pm

vangie-publics (ucb, la) tend to have the world notice them because they r publics meaning so mannnnyyyy students are accepted into them. While harvey and pomona are both obviously better than ucb in most aspects, they tend to not get to be known throughout the world due to their small size and etc.
edit: check peer ratings through us news

This is exactly my point. Even if the stat would say that Princeton undergrad students are a little bit better than students of UCLA, the people who have not heard of Princeton would not think it is prestigious because they have not heard so much about it. I DID NOT say prestigious = the best. In fact, I said, prestige is RELATIVE.

As for my case, because I'm an engineering student, I find Berkeley, MIT and Stanford very prestigious. I will not trade them for Princeton. It would be insane for me to do that. You may argue with me but I don't think you can sway away my opinion.

darkhope · January 14, 2007, 9:28pm

i personally think prestige is not defined by the general public but rather by deans and etc. of graduate/professional schools...the overall prestige is not relative but if you consider different departments then the prestige becomes relative. In terms of engineering, mit and stanford would be more prestigious =D

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:31pm

same thing goes for schools. you may get just as good of an engineering education at Berkeley as you would get at MIT (just as you can get from point A to point B just as good in a BMW as you can in a Ferrari). but at the end of the day - if you had to pick which school you had a degree from (or which car to show off to your friends) - you'd pick MIT (ferrari).

No, not for some fields and not for grad studies. I don't think that MIT is rated number one in all programs it offers. For example, I would pick Haas over Sloan. During my dad's days, he would pick Wharton over Haas. Today, he could not say it would be stupid to go to Haas if he has got an offer from Haas especially that Berkeley has a very strong alumni network in Asia. But I would pick Stanford and Harvard over Haas. I would pick Berkeley for IT, Chem, Physics and some fields in engineering. Again you may argue with me but please bear in mind that not all people have the same fit and preference as you. I wouldn?t say one is better than the other, really. And I?m bothered that you can and have the confidence to say it boldly. But that?s your personal opinion and I will respect that. The real truth here is: both (Berkeley and MIT) are excellent schools and you can never be wrong in going either of them. Just choose which one appeals to you more.

darkhope · January 14, 2007, 9:38pm

people who are admitted to mit will not even hesitate for a second to reject ucb =/

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:41pm

If Haas really was as good as those other schools, then why can't Haas yield more of its admittees? Apparently half of the admittees decided that Haas wasn't good enough for them.

Sakky, the example was for Berkeley vs Princeton. I think you just keep on inserting your opinion without even understanding the whole context.

vangie · January 14, 2007, 9:43pm

"people who are admitted to mit will not even hesitate for a second to reject ucb =/"

Even for grad school? What if I will tell you that I will reject MIT's offer if I also get accepted at Berkeley's MS in Electronics program?

darkhope · January 14, 2007, 9:44pm

undergraduate...
i think we were clearly talking about undergraduate experiences here hehe =D

Marsden · January 14, 2007, 9:49pm

The problem with these threads is that everyone always neglects to mention Slippery Rock State U. Why, oh why.

vangie · January 14, 2007, 10:10pm

undergraduate...
i think we were clearly talking about undergraduate experiences here hehe =D

Were we? I did not realize that. Here's what the thread starter's question, please read it carefully: