<p>You may have a 630 writing score but what about your reading comprehension score? It was crystal clear that this thread asks about school's prestige with undergrad and grad combined......</p>
<p>O.o ok i'm sorry i meant undergraduate only...please don;t get angry at me when i accidently meant that most people will prefer w/e over ucb for both undergrad/grad...i meant only undergrad =(</p>
<p>darkhope:</p>
<p>"people who are admitted to mit will not even hesitate for a second to reject ucb =/"</p>
<p>That doesn't mean much, does it? The NRC ranking of engineering puts MIT first and UCB second, only .43 behind. So if a person automatically chooses MIT, then he or she is being impulsive.</p>
<p>i doubt anyone will reject mit's undergrad for ucb's undergrad experiences in enginerring because as you said rankings are not everthing but one componenet in one's decisions</p>
<p>anyhow can anyone tell me how many high school seniors graduate each year in the united states?</p>
<p>... post a topic about it (this isn't the place, methinks).</p>
<p>well anyhow...any school in the top 100 r great so yea...it doesn;t quite matter if one is better than the other in the top 100 or so...</p>
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During my dad's days, he would pick Wharton over Haas. Today, he could not say it would be stupid to go to Haas if he has got an offer from Haas especially that Berkeley has a very strong alumni network in Asia.
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<p>It's hard to argue with someone whose universe revolves around the "because my dad told me so" school of logic.</p>
<p>(btw, Wharton's alumni network in Asia wasn't too shabby last time i checked)</p>
<p>"Antarctica (South Pole) was just an example. OK, go to China, Mongolia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc, ect., and ask the people their in random if they have heard about Ferrari/Princeton.</p>
<p>I understand it's hard for you to believe because you are very familiar about Ferrari and Princeton. But what about those poeple who don't?"</p>
<p>vangie,</p>
<p>the point is this - who gives a rats ass what people in Papua New Guinea, East Timor, South Africa, Somalia, and Afganistan think.</p>
<p>I hate to be one of these people, but for the overwhelming majority of people, the only country that matters is the United States. In the United States, MIT is more prestigious than Berkeley. Who gives a crap what the people of Sri Lanka think about where we went to school.</p>
<p>Frankly, who gives a rats ass about what US people think? Prestige doesn't indicate anything about the quality of a university.</p>
<p>yup, i personally only care what grad school admission officers think which is shown through the peer assessment of us news lol =D</p>
<p>bob jones university</p>
<p>It seems the general consensus is that these are the most prestigious major universities. What would be the next six? I say MIT, Columbia, Berkeley, Duke, Dartmouth, Brown???</p>
<p>To keep it simple, let's not draw distinctions between undergrad v. grad.
-sigh that is like impossible, some schools r extremely well known for med, law, education, and some for specific areas in grad school O.o it's like impossible to compare schools when factoring in undergrad, grad, professional school quality</p>
<p>kyledavid80,</p>
<p>i care what people think. call it vanity. i like when people ask where i go to school to say "oh he's smart cause he went to X university." </p>
<p>I also like it when X employer says to himself "well this applicant has a lower gpa than this applicant...but he went to X university which i think is a better school than where the other person went...so i'll take him even though his gpa is lower."</p>
<p>also, grad schools do take into account the strength of an undergraduate education - and even though this situation is much less likely to come around in the admissions building - all things equal an applicant from Berkeley and an applicant from MIT applying to say Yale Law School or Stanford Business School...and theres only 1 spot? who do you think gets the nod...i'd bet 9/10 the MIT applicant.</p>
<p>of course this isn't to bash berkeley - you just have to realize that MIT is just on a different level prestige wise. Berkeley surely gives as good of an education as MIT - but it just isn't at that MIT level in the "wow" factor - few schools are.</p>
<p>MIT has about 4000 undergrads. There is little doubt that the top 4000 students at UCB are as smart and capable as the MIT students. The difference is that when you meet somebody who graduated from UCB, you don't know if he/she was one of the top 4000 or one of the bottom 4000. So the UCB grad COULD be as sharp as any MIT grad, but there's a distinct possibility that he's nowhere near as smart as even the WORST MIT student. I think that's the main reason MIT is more prestigious but doesn't necessarily offer a better education...it's simply a more exclusive club to belong to.</p>
<p>^^^ this is exactly right, and what I've always said. There are smart, even brilliant, students at nearly every college in the country. The difference is, at a place like Princeton for instance, they're all smart.</p>
<p>"The difference is, at a place like Princeton for instance, they're all smart."</p>
<p>And at Berkeley, there are a lot who aren't smart? I'd argue that most are, some more than others, and I might even be as bold to assert that Princeton has a few that aren't as smart as some might think. Thing is, SATs, GPA, and other such factors don't always definitively measure a person's intelligence.</p>
<p>No argument, really. Nothing's perfect. But the point holds, in my experience.</p>
<p>And you can add logic to that...</p>
<p>we argue over the most ridiculous things in life...watch A Moment to Remember on youtube =D</p>
<p>Yeah, you know, when you apply for a job in the "real world" the only factor that they take into account is where you went to college and grad school. Be careful guys, if you don't go to one of the top schools (even if doing so means that you could be in a place you don't like with people you don't like for four years), your life is over. You're never getting a job. Also, it's quite likely that even if you do attend a prestigious school, when you apply for jobs you and the other applicants will be identical in every single aspect except for your place of education. Therefore, this will be of the utmost importance, and if the university from which you graduated ranks a couple spots lower on some arbitrary, subjective college ranking system than your competitors, you're out on the streets. My apologies. This is just the way things are after high school.</p>