<p>^Ohh there are people in the Bay Area who are blatantly ignorant, they just don’t pop up very much. I live smack dab in Almaden and there are bakas all around me, they’re just few and far between.</p>
<p>True, they aren’t as vocal about it here I guess. Since the majority of the people don’t really mind.</p>
<p>I was just saying from a high school student’s perspective. Most of the kids at my school don’t care.</p>
<p>MLDWoody, I kinda lol’ed at your comment about there being less gays in the engineering school. Certainly the opposite seems to be the case at Michigan, and this is a fellow Wolverine :)</p>
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<p>“What is there to accept?”
Homosexuality, duh. Have you not opened your eyes yet or do you live under a rock? Heterosexuality is the norm because it makes sense. </p>
<p>What progress in society are you talking about? If you are talking about more people being gay than straight then that actually is the opposite of progress. If that were to happen then we would go extinct. </p>
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<p>Really dude? I mean, there are some fruity sounding guys but I didn’t think there were that many gays.</p>
<p>But then again I’m just in my first year. </p>
<p>And I guess if you were gay and wanted to get to know as many guys as possible, it’d be in engineering…</p>
<p>^ that wouldn’t make sense if they were all straight. Doesn’t matter how many guys there are if they don’t swing your way.</p>
<p>^TRUE STORY. And this is why psychology is not as awesome for lesbians as one would think. Plus, most psych majors are completely insane.</p>
<p>^Awww, now why is that, that it’s not awesome?</p>
<p>Also… I disagree with your notion about Psychologists and their sanity, we are so totally not insane. What we are is insane -Professor Farnsworth crazy laugh-</p>
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Yes, WHAT IS THERE TO ACCEPT? Thats honestly like saying you have straight hair and then not accepting that people have curly hair. They are born with curly hair. It wasn’t their choice, they didn’t make a decision to have it, thats just how they are. Sure, they could straighten it to have straight hair, but they will always have curly hair. Not accepting homosexuality is basically the same thing. It’s not a choice, if it was teens wouldn’t be committing suicide for it. I’m gay, I have brown hair, green eyes. I was born with all of that, choosing not to believe that I am gay is the same as not believing I have brown hair.</p>
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<p>What are you talking about. I’m almost 100% certain I live in a bigger area than you, and am exposed to much more than you. I never once indicated that heterosexuality is not the norm. Why would I say that? Also, some people straight, some are gay. It’s not that hard. </p>
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What progress in society?.. Gee I don’t know. The countless rallies, the parades, the characters that are introduced mainstream on shows. People understanding that it’s not a choice. The suicides that have resulted from being bullied for being gay. The programs that are in place to help gay teens. That is the progress I’m referring to. </p>
<p>Sigh, how to even begin to reply to your following two sentences… </p>
<p>I am not talking about more gay people that straight people existing in our society. That’s not at all what I was talking about in regards to progress. I don’t think 6 billion + people can go extinct. & Even if more people were gay, the amount of teenage pregnancies are sure doing their part to make sure we don’t go extinct. </p>
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<p>I’m not trying to be mean, I just feel like you have no idea what you’re talking about. & It’s sad to me.</p>
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<p>What is there to accept? The anti-conservative, you’re-a-bigot-and-a-horrible-person-if-you-don’t-love-homosexuality agenda (as is exemplified by you gratuitously calling me ignorant in your post, despite me not even addressing you). The parades. The “anti-bullying legislation” (AKA the anti free speech act). There’s plenty to accept and you’re blind if you think homosexuality is just another thing and that it’s normal and usual, because objectively it’s NOT. I would be complaining the same if this thread were about Dolphin-people rights and not gay rights.</p>
<p>I totally agree with BayAreaDuude. -.- Gahh cabhax I’m speechless about your thoughts. You basically think that homosexuality is something “backwards” and wrong. Homosexuality, heterosexuality. biseexuality, any sexuality is not “backwards,” “wrong” or bad. The point here is to make room and accept the fact that there are people who are not heterosexual–the dominant sexuality–and they’re perfectly okay. </p>
<p>How does heterosexualism make any more sense than homosexualism? If you actually do some research you’ll find that many animals engage in homosexual practices. Sometimes we tend to forget that humans are also animals . . . </p>
<p>I seriously think you have heterosexism too engrained in you because you indicated that “being gay than straight then that actually is the opposite of progress.” What is progress? I dare you to challenge heterosexism–that it’s the only acceptable way.</p>
<p>Ok, now I don’t agree with all the pro-gay people. Well, Idc what gay people do, get married, have equal family rights w/e. But at the same time, I do have to agree that whenever someone disagress with a gay person, whether it has anything to do with being gay or not, that other person is immediately a bigot, or a homophobe, or just ignorant. Do you not see the irony here?</p>
<p>At the same time I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff cabhax and that other dude are saying. I am not really sure how homosexuality is considered backwards or not progressive. You’re gonna have to explain that one to me. </p>
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<p>Are you serious? Are you really ****ing serious? I’ll give you a sec to take this back… no? ok</p>
<p>Let’s see, why does heterosexuality make more sense then homosexuality… hmm… well if you wanna make a baby, and you know, create future generations, you better be heterosexual. I’m pretty sure a species of gay monkeys would die out in a few years…</p>
<p>And humans are animals, but why does that give us permission to act like them? (not that being gay means you’re an animal.) But I mean, come on. That’s such faulty logic. Animals eat their own **** and throw it at each other. I’m gonna go do that, and if someone tells me otherwise I’ll say some animals do it.</p>
<p>Also, some organisms are asexual… why don’t we just do ourselves all day? Bio engineer the ability to make our own kids w/o the opposite sex.</p>
<p>Some animals leave there kids a few years in. I guess I’ll let my kids go off on their own when they are 5…</p>
<p>Like I said, I do not completely disagree with you, but think about what you are saying.</p>
<p>@ antipacifist. I’m sorry you feel so strongly that way. Compassion is a nice concept.</p>
<p>@ Kisho3, Thank you haha. & I totally understand what you’re saying.</p>
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<p>Do you know why they always get called these names? They usually are. Truth hurts.
- In regards to “accepting” homosexuality. & Things along that line.</p>
<p>If you’re just saying in general when someone disagrees with a gay person on a different topic like immigration. Then that would be wrong for someone to make being gay an issue as to why their point is more logical. </p>
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<p>I believe you’re missing the point Kisho is trying to make. Being attracted to a guy for me, makes as much “sense” as another guy being attracted to a girl. I can’t help it, it’s just how I am.</p>
<p>MLDWoody allow me to clarify my perspective. When I wrote how does
I did not write that statement to talk about reproduction. </p>
<p>The point here is this: Humans engage in sexual activities–not only to make babies–but to have pleasure. People have different preferences and we vary. If we all have sex just to make babies then there wouldn’t be such things as condoms and birth-controls, now would there be? </p>
<p>In terms of reproduction, yes hetersoexism completely makes more sense. However, not everyone has sex just to make babies. </p>
<p>My point in mentioning about animals engaging in homosexual activities was supposed to point out that homsexualsim is natural and in nature.</p>
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<p>So animals are also heterosexual? Why does that give you permission to act like an animal and be heterosexual?</p>
<p>I think that if you look deeply at your words and your statement, you’ll see that you don’t accept homosexuals at all–deep down. Just judging from your posts, you’re probably the type of guy that says “I’m cool with gays as long as they don’t bother me.” <- Is it just me or do I see something extremely wrong when I hear that? </p>
<p>I used to think the same way: “I’m okay as long as gays don’t bug me.” But you see there’s a major problem with that. Talking with some gay friends truly helps demystify gay stereotypes. My gay friends tell me that heterosexual males tend to think that gay males will be all over them just because they’re makes. That is completely false! Just like how you’re not attracted to every female you meet, gay males are not attracted to every male they meet. So to anyone who ever says “I’m okay with gays, as long as they don’t bother me.” Don’t be conceited. They’re not going to be all over you. </p>
<p>And just to throw it out there for future reference: </p>
<p>Look up the dictionary defintion of heterosexism (not “heterosexualism” what we were talking about) and it says that it is “the belief that everyone is heterosexual and that heterosexuality is the only acceptable way of being.”</p>
<p>I really want you to think about this MLDWoody your post especially.</p>
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<p>1) Do you see how your post clearly reflects how you think that heterosexualism is the only way?<br>
2) In comparing, homosexualism to animals throwing *<strong><em>, do you see how you truly think that homosexualism is something disgusting? (Btw don’t go outside throwing your *</em></strong> and don’t eat it. . . that’s ridiculous. Furthermore, it doesn’t pertain to the topic).</p>
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So animals are also heterosexual? Why does that give you permission to act like an animal and be heterosexual?</p>
<p>I didn’t read the previous pages but I’m just gonna write what I think.</p>
<p>I don’t really have anything against gay people. If they’re mature and cool then I’ll be fine with them. But there was one gay guy I knew when I was a senior in high school. He was a nice guy and all but he would hit on me and some of my other friends and act like he was joking. For example he would say stuff like if you have sex with me you’ll never go back to girls again. This was almost 3 years ago so I made that example up but he would say some similar things and then he would laugh or say jk or something and act like he wasn’t serious.</p>
<p>We were fine with it at first but he kept making jokes like that. Then we told him we don’t want him making jokes like that cuz it was *<strong><em>ing us off. He started calling us gay haters and *</em></strong>. I’ve heard similar things from other people when I got in to college and I still sometimes hear things like that.</p>
<p>So there are some gay people who really do things like this. Like I said if you’re gay and you don’t do things like I just wrote then I have nothing against you. I’d be perfectly fine with hanging out, chilling or whatever. But it ****es me off when a gay person hits on others when he or she clearly knows that person is not interested. If you’re like that its very likely that youll get your whooped one day and its not gonna be like anything you have in mind.</p>
<p>I need some gay friends.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this:</p>
<p>You don’t have to ACCEPT everyone’s differences in who they are. </p>
<p>You have to RESPECT them. </p>
<p>Example: </p>
<p>I don’t like people who have tattoos all over the place. I don’t go around telling them they look stupid/crazy. </p>
<p>I RESPECT not accept.</p>
<p>Holy **** you guys, way to put words in my mouth… IDK where to begin…</p>
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<p>Thank you for proving my point. If a gay guy is also a serial murderer, and I disagree with him, I must be a homophobe.
People on here make broad generalizations about gay people and they are bigots. You then turn around and make a broad generalization about people that disagree with gay people.</p>
<p>Again though, thanks for proving my point.</p>
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<p>Ok, fantastic. I am not attacking you personally and I am not gonna attack your lifestyle. That’s not what Kisho was saying, I don’t think. I mean if you look at the fact there is a female and a male of almost every species, you gotta think there is a reason for that.</p>
<p>That’s fine though if you’re gay, idc. But you gotta admit using the fact that some animals have gay tendencies to defend human’s being gay doesn’t hold much weight</p>
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<p>So anything that appears in nature is natural and then deemed ok. Are you sure you want to go down that road? Again, I am not trying to diss homosexuality about your defense of it is not making much sense.</p>
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<p>I have “permission” to be heterosexual because it’s how things work. Female end and male end. </p>
<p>I am trying to follow your argument right here. You can be gay because a few animals do it. I say, well, just because an animal does it it doesn’t mean its right (not in an attempt to say being gay is wrong, but in an attempt to say your point doesn’t make sense). Then you say, well, animals are heterosexual, so I guess you can’t do that. That’s a pretty big jump to try to disprove my point. </p>
<p>I’m not saying we can’t do anything animals do, I’m saying that using animals habits to give permission to that same human habit isn’t a good argument.</p>
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<p>Again with the broad generalizations from you people. When did I say that? Ok, great if you hear something wrong when you say that, because you’re talking to yourself. I’m all for gays getting their equal family rights and serving in the military and junk. I am not gonna go that far out of my way for it (don’t be hurt, I wouldn’t go that far out of my way for a lot of things). I don’t want annoying people to bother me, whether they are gay or not. If there is a gay guy I don’t want to hang out with, it’s not cuz he’s gay, it’s cuz of his personality.</p>
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<p>Again, when did I say that’s how I thought? I am pretty sure you’re still just putting words in my mouth.</p>
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<p><em>sigh</em>… Once again, fantastic. I don’t remember ever saying “I don’t like gays because they undress me with their eyes.” I don’t think that way, but you continue to generalize me and put words in my mouth.</p>
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<p>FANTASTIC. That’s not what I think but way to put it out there. You’ve improved my vocabulary.</p>
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<p>Nope, I don’t. Considering the whole point of the quoted text is me saying your argument is crappy. It has nothing to do with whether or not being gay is ok.</p>
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<p>Oh, wow, really? Thank you for showing me what I truly think. I didn’t know that but if that is what you think it must be true. It couldn’t possibly be that someone is putting words (ideas) in my mouth again.</p>
<p>The whole point was to make a ridiculous example, to show you how ridiculous your example is. I do not equate throwing **** to be gay. I equate using the fact that some animals having gay tendencies to prove that being gay is ok to using the fact that some animals throw and eat their **** to prove that it is ok to do the same. Both arguments are ridiculous, and that’s the point.</p>
<p>And I’ll end with this, even though I don’t think you guys will read it or take it into account. I have nothing against gay people. I hope they get all the rights they want. The point of my post was to show you how ridiculous your reasoning was. But, you just went ahead and put words in my mouth and missed my point.</p>
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