<p>for example, in dorms and such.</p>
<p>Well... yes. Some theft in dorm and some robbery out and about.</p>
<p>I mean, do you know of somewhere that is theft- and robbery-free?</p>
<p>kansas isn't too bad at all in rural areas. some ppl leave their cars/houses unlocked most of the time, but not everyone.</p>
<p>so how does that go, they break your room lock and take your stuff or what? robbery and burglary are different</p>
<p>Most dorm theft is the result of people leaving doors unlocked and laptops sitting out, unattached to anything. If you don't do these two things, you probably won't have anything stolen. And I never said anything about <em>robbery</em> in dorms :-)</p>
<p>As for robbery, it does happen a bit on the streets late at night. I witnessed a particularly bad incident involving some local high school students (as the assailants) once, but that is not common at all. Providence is a city, so you can't expect things to be perfectly safe, but I feel very, very safe at Brown. I'd even say I feel safer on Brown's campus than at other similarly-situated campuses I've visited at night. Our blue-light-phone system is extensive and the relatively small campus guarantees a quick response should you need help. Most of the campus is very well lit, and in the past few years uniformed security has been added to many potentially dangerous areas.</p>
<p>I would say it's safe to walk in around campus (and the majority of the east side) and parts of downtown on weekends until around 2:30-3 am. In groups, that is. Alone it's different. Weeknights there aren't nearly as many people around that late, so I'd head home earlier too.</p>
<p>It's good to be careful even in groups... as a story about two college students from a couple of years ago demonstrates:</p>
<p>"Jason Burgeson, 20 (of Lakeville, MA), and his friend, Amy Shute, 21 (of Coventry, RI), were brutally murdered in Rhode Island. The two went dancing at a night club in Downtown Providence with some friends that night. When the club closed, Jason, Amy, and two other friends got into Jason's car. After dropping the other two off at a nearby bar around 2am, Jason and Amy were standing near Jason's Ford Explorer when they were approached by five men. They were robbed and forced at gunpoint into Jason's car. The men brought them to an unfinished golf course where, after watching the two beg for their lives, one of the men shot each in the head execution style. In the blink of an eye he took away two bright, fun spirits. Jason and Amy did nothing to deserve this. Five men were out looking for some random trouble and found it."</p>
<p>still better than New Haven</p>
<p>this is the height of posterX hilarity!</p>
<p>If groups of college students are being carjacked and killed, execution-style, in the middle of downtown Providence, I think that you need to take some precautions. I don't know what's so hilarious about that.</p>
<p>The Brown campus itself is very safe, when compared with the other Ivies, that is (see below). However, off campus you should take the same precautions you would in any city or town.</p>
<p>On-campus crimes -- note: these are not adjusted for the population of each school. Assaults = violent attacks (not sex offenses, which are reported differently).</p>
<p>Brown 0 murders, 2 robberies, 2 assaults, 49 burglaries (incl 44 in dorms)
Yale 0 murders, 4 robberies, 0 assaults, 82 burglaries (incl 28 in dorms)
Harvard 0 murders, 2 robberies, 6 assaults, 451 burglaries (incl 119 in dorms)
UPenn 1 murder, 19 robberies, 5 assaults, 33 burglaries
Columbia 0 murders, 4 robberies, 6 assaults, 113 burglaries (incl 42 in dorms)
Cornell 0 murders, 2 robberies, 16 assaults, 68 burglaries (incl 34 in dorms, plus 15 assaults and 1 robbery in dorms)
Princeton 0 murders, 0 robberies, 2 assaults, 63 burglaries (incl 37 in dorms)
Dartmouth 0 murders, 1 robbery, 0 assaults, 36 burglaries (34 in dorms)</p>
<p>You'll note that the only crimes reported within the dormitories themselves, with the exception of Cornell, are burglaries. Ivy League dormitories are generally very secure.</p>
<p>Bet you 10 bucks he shows some clinical significance for OCD.</p>
<p>OCPD, yes, OCD, no.</p>
<p>sorry......</p>
<p>ocpd? </p>
<p>anyways, maybe he just has WAY too much time on his hands</p>
<p>Let's stick to the question at hand. Campus robberies happen, but i don't think any more or less than other schools. Not something to worry about.</p>
<p>hmmmm.....I think renix is right. P-rov is still better than New Haven.</p>
<p>In further news, Yale is not safe this summer.</p>
<p>Nice work trying to change the topic -- luckily I've spent a lot of time in both cities. In terms of overall murder rate, they are about equal: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4445466&postcount=29%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4445466&postcount=29</a> Both are medium-sized cities and have occasional crime incidents, at worst like the Shute/Burgeson "execution" in downtown Providence I described just above, but typically just more petty kinds of things, like a girl who was mugged there after leaving Lupo's this weekend. Neither are anything like Philadelphia or other dangerous, large cities --- they have had fewer than 10 murders so far this year each, whereas Philadelphia has had 244 (!!!) killings so far this year as of Monday, and Baltimore has had 183 (!!!) as of yesterday. You don't have as many totally random crimes, such as the high-profile sexual attacks on a half dozen Asian N.Y.U. students a few years ago (<a href="http://bamboogirlzine.blogspot.com/2002_04_14_archive.html%5B/url%5D">http://bamboogirlzine.blogspot.com/2002_04_14_archive.html</a>), but you still have to be careful, like you would want to do in any village, town, or city regardless of its size. Overall, the statistical reality is that you're much safer walking around them than you are going to a more rural or suburban campus and having to drive more than once a month to get anywhere: car crashes at 40MPH are much less forgiving than someone who takes your bicycle wheel.</p>
<p>The essential difference between the two is that Yale is right in the center of downtown, so there's much, much more to do within a couple of blocks. Brown is far up on a hill and isolated from the downtown, a la Syracuse University, which also makes it feel much more impersonal because a greater proportion of students leave the central campus area. Also, New Haven is practically part of the NYC suburbs, making day trips there on the commuter rail easy and cheap. Providence is close to Boston, but Boston doesn't hold a candle to NYC in terms of anything. Overall, both are decent college towns with a lot of students but New Haven is much better, especially after the massive amount of new development that has occurred there in the past two or three years. The problem is that New Haven has been gentrifying so quickly that college students are starting to get priced out - I mean, what college kid can afford a $200 restaurant tab or a million-dollar condominium?</p>
<p>I disagree with the assessment that Brown is so isolated. Isolated? When you walk down the Hill (which is bout 2/10 of a mile) you're in the center of Downtown Providence. What's nice about the Hill is your surrounded by historic homes, trees, and a more neighborhood and college town like feel, but literally 2/10s of a mile and you're in the city. If that's isolated...</p>
<p>From most dorms it's faster to get down Hill than to walk clear across campus. </p>
<p>But you'd know that, PosterX, having spent 2-3 days here.</p>
<p>It should be noted that New Haven is about 1.5 hrs by commuter rail to NYC, Providence is about 45 mins from Boston by rail and costs about 6 dollars each way. While agree that Boston isn't NYC (coming from outside of NYC I'm biased, but I think most would agree), I think you're writing off Brown quite a bit, as well as Providence, and certainly bolstering New Haven a bit much.</p>
<p>The main difference is that Brown is located in the most expensive area to live in all of Providence-- going back all the way to the Narragansett River from the start of College Hill, from 195 (1ml South of campus) to 95(1ml North of Campus), is easily the most expensive, most residential, and most suburban part of Providence, while still being 2/10s of a mile from the city.</p>
<p>is there an "ignore user" feature on this forum? i'd like to put posterx on there</p>
<p>I've spent much longer than that there. It's more like 1/2 mile from where most of the undergraduate housing is and the main quad to the river, which I wouldn't say is the "center" of downtown. It's 2/10 of a mile from "The Rock" (library) at the far west end of campus to the river but that's already starting from way past where most of the dorms are. About a mile to the campus from the giant shopping mall. Also, that hill is extremely steep, difficult to walk along in the winter, and not particularly appealing at night either. Great for exercise though! But very different from NYU, UM-Ann Arbor, or Yale, where the center of action begins as soon as you step off the campus.</p>
<p>I also like the trees, historic homes, etc., around the campus (take the PPS tours to appreciate it) but it's certainly not the only college town with a lot of trees, pre-Revolutionary War buildings and quaint streets. Most of the Ivies are in settings like that because they are so old -- the ones that aren't (Columbia) are that way because they moved to "new" campuses only very recently. I'm not writing off Brown, it's one of the best universities in the world and a very vibrant place, especially when compared to some of the other Ivies.</p>
<p>My family lives so close to the Brown campus as to be on the campus. One of the things we love about living in this neighborhood is that it is very walkable - everything is close and the area is about as safe as one could find anyplace in the urban northeast. My husband walks <em>everywhere</em> (I'm a bit lazier and use our car occasionally...)-to the grocery store, to the mall downtown, and even to our son's school (which is located in a significantly seedier part of town which we nevertheless have found pretty safe).</p>
<p>Interestingly, one of the things my family found appealing about Yale when we visited was that we thought New Haven's "vibe" seemed so similar to Providence's. The same was true in Cambridge, although to a lesser extent because the pace of life around Harvard Square seemed so much quicker and influenced by being in Boston's shadow.</p>
<p>^ Agreed ! What are your thoughts on the new (well, no longer that new) megamall? A lot of people have told me that it has "killed" downtown, and are put off by its stratification (by floor.. although that's true of many other malls in urban areas), but it also seems to have filled a gap in the city by covering the railyard.</p>