<p>who got accepted to Harvard?</p>
<p>im not an international but i know a few and that score's really low. i know a thai scholar who came to the US for senior yr and literally began learning english for about a year and he managed a 580. he didn't get into harvard ea.
you have to understand that there are lots of smart internationals who can score 750+ with English as their third or fourth language.</p>
<p>But, isn't in Harvard just some international withy such score? English isn't every thing, you can rapidly enhance it studying in the USA.</p>
<p>i don't know if you're familiar with an old poster from classic CC named amylase. 16 year old from china, self-studied english and got a 780 verbal. go into stanford but not harvard or yale. again you have to realize that there's no reason for harvard to take an international with bad english skills when there are so many with good english skills.</p>
<p>How many times did he take SAT?</p>
<p>thrice i think</p>
<p>I think amylase got a 600 verbal the first year and got rejected by all six schools he/she (??no clue) and then studied alot and got 780 the next year and got in Stanford but still waitlisted by Harvard.</p>
<p>I don't know if it's the high improvement that got her in or that it was because of her 600 verbal that kept her out, but it somehow made a difference.</p>
<p>the first time he applied to 5 schools MIT, HYP, Stanford with a 600 and applied for Financial Aid at all those places (incl Stanford wich is not need blind for intls)
Rejected everywhere.</p>
<p>the following year Amylase spent all his time learning the Barron's 3500 wordlist and practicing with the 10RS - ended up with a 780 on the verbal
Again applied to the most selective colleges, BUT DID NOT apply for Financial Aid, and got in at Stanford. This time Amylae had more AP's (i think it was around 11) and better essays.</p>
<p>But definitely the 780 was a big boost. </p>
<p>IMO you need atleast 600 on the Verbal to have a chance</p>
<p>Amylase is a guy?? I always thought it was a she. Well anyways, isn't he like homeschooled or something? Do you know if he had anything else new the added the second year besides APs and SATs?</p>
<p>with a 550 verbal, international or not, it would be very hard to get into many public schools, let alone harvard</p>
<p>I have a friend who got into Harvard with a 620 verbal (780 math) whose native language IS english. So I guess you never know. </p>
<p>And what's ur writing score?</p>
<p>So, as I learned from your conversation, Amylase was rejected not because of his low verbal score. Otherwise, second time he would got accepted.</p>
<p>Amylase changed two things: 1. He improved his SAT score from 600-780. 2. He didn't apply for financial aid. One of these things, (or a combination of them), got him into Stanford. No one (except the admissions officers) can tell which did the trick.</p>
<p>I think the improvment was quite impressive and the money of course helped too. Did he get into MIT though? I know he got rejected the first year.</p>
<p>last year, Yale had 4 students with verbal lower than 500 and 34 with verbal lower than 600. Last year was the most competitive year to gain admission at Yale.</p>
<p>go to <a href="http://www.yale.edu/asc%5B/url%5D">www.yale.edu/asc</a> then click on the FALL OF 2004 NEWSLETTER. </p>
<p>I don't think that there is a huge difference between Harvard and Yale, so this might be a good indicator.</p>
<p>Yale class of 2008 stats:</p>
<p>Math: score / number of admitted students</p>
<pre><code> 700-800 / 970
600-690 / 258
500-590 / 26
200-490 / 1
</code></pre>
<p>Verbal:</p>
<pre><code> 700-800 / 980
600-690 / 237
500-590 / 34
200-490 / 4
</code></pre>
<p>I hope that helps you. But again, these are Yale stats.</p>
<p>correction: Amylase had a grand total of 17 AP's the following year.</p>
<p>I, of course, also apply to Yale (MIT, Princeton too), so this information is useful.
Another aspect, he's from China. A lot of applicants from China apply to Harvard, so competition is much more keener among them.
And I'm from Russia</p>
<p>There are a lot of fine schools beyond Harvard. But one would need to work on verbal skills to be able to write at the college level and now the SAT includes an essay section, so errors will be more glaring than ever.</p>
<p>Can very strong TOEFL and SAT II Writing scores compensate the bad SAT I Verbal?</p>