DD’s AP credits are now showing up on Ozone!
Now all that left is to update her DE credits and list her CLEP credits.
@3scoutsmom Thanks for the post. I could see in Ozone in Academics tab under transcript link.
Have few observations and questions. Looks like, OU gives credit and also grades (and includes in GPA) if it is from Community or other Univ but gives credit (no grades) for AP/CLEP courses. Is that right?
For some courses it gives both Subject 1999 and Subject with specific OU course numbers. But for a course if it gives only 1999, what does it mean. For example my D did a Art course in community college (since she needs to do that to satisfy Univ of California UG admission prereq). So OU list ART 1999. But in OU catalog, when 1999 is searched nothing comes up. Can it satisfy GE Core Area IV for understanding Artistic forms?
Also looks like some courses, though OU has given credits, it may not meet any of the req depending on the major/minor student chose. For example, she did AP Stats and got PSY 2003 credit in OU. But it is not needed for any thing she plans to do.
What is Quality Points in the transcript report? What does it mean?
Have 2 general questions related to Honors College course requirements. Basically is it possible to double dip some of the courses though the numbers are different? For example
- Honors research 3980, can it satisfy any research done for the major (HIST 4973)?
- Honors Colloquium 3993, can it satisfy, major colloquium HIST 3573?
Yes, that’s the way it looks to me, actual classes get grades but AP and CLEP do not.
I think the course number 1999 means that OU is giving general credit for that course for general class standing but it doesn’t count for a specific requirement because it doesn’t match anything in the pre approved data base. If you want that credit for a specific OU course you need to have it approved by that department. You likely need to turn in a course description, syllabus, and texts used.
Yes, my dd has several credit for course that aren’t required, they can be used as elective credits and for course standing. Even though my D is starting her freshman year with enough credit to be a senior, she’s still needs for year to compete her degree plan.
It’s best to talk to your advisor. I don’t have a clue about how the honors courses work.
@GoldenRock OU seems to have a very specific list of courses that meet the Understanding Artistic Forms requirement so the Art department would have to agree that her art class meets the requirement of one of the classes on there list. My daughter is a musician and music theory did not meet the requirements of Understanding Artistic Forms.
I think “quality points” are just how the figure GPA
Each hour of A, B, C, D and F carries a grade point value as follows: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F=0. Grades of P and S, as well as grades of I, X, U, N, NP, AW, and W, carry no grade point value and are not included in the computation of a student’s semester or cumulative grade point average.
Total quality points divided by the number of credit hours gives the GPA on a four point scale.
@GoldenRock You should check with an adviser, but I don’t think that she will be able to double-dip with those classes. You can double-dip with some classes at OU, but looking at OZone, those classes don’t look very equivalent in subject matter/purpose. Again, you should ask an adviser, but my initial guess is no.
@3scoutsmom You are correct about quality points.
@WoolScarves Thanks. Agree mostly courses listed with course number need to be done in Honors and can not be double dipped, except for the 9 hours honors courses. I will ask my DD to check with her adviser once she goes to OU.
For Major, Minor, check sheets are there to plan. Also this link http://ou.edu/content/gened/courses.html gives useful info with accepted specific course numbers for all GE reqs. The glaringly missing item in this link is the GE IV D (additional 2 Upper Humanities courses). Rather definitely there is a mismatch with this link and check sheets. Not sure which is one correct.
It appears almost all GE can be met with already earned AP/College credits and double dipping with Major/Minor/Honors courses. Assume ART 1999 will get credit for GE Art once request the GE office. GE V Capstone project double dipped with pretty much every major capstone project (it is listed in the link).
@3scoutsmom see if your D has credits equivalent to MUSC 1312 Intro to Music since it is listed for GE Art req.
@GoldenRock @3scoutsmom Another resource that might be beneficial to you is this site: https://dn.ou.edu/DN/Audit/MyDegrees.aspx?pageid=MyDegrees
It’s called Degree Navigator. Make sure you’re logged into OZone. Click the “Audit” button next to the degree sheet. It’ll do a good job of showing you what counts for where, at this time.
And Golden, there’s actually a moderate chance that the honors research can be double-dipped. I was able to do that, but that’s because my degree had a class specified for us to do independent research of any kind related to our field. That’s basically what the honors research is. If that’s similar to the intended purpose of HIST 4973, then it might be applicable. Colloquium I’m fairly certain won’t work (although I hope it does!).
@WoolScarves Thanks for the link. It is useful to try out various major and minor. My understanding after going thru that link, GE Capstone and Major cap stone can be double dipped. And if the capstone is research oriented, then the 2 hours Honors can be avoided. But the Honors research may be needed as a separate course. Students need to discuss with advisers and ensure every thing is ok.
@WoolScarves how accurate is the degree Navigator? For example it shows that that the Physics AP credit meets the requirements for the required physics classes but not for the associated labs, also it says she needs to take CS1313 (an intro to computer class) but she has credit for CS1323 a more advanced computer class not required for her major so her advisor told her she didn’t need to take CS1313. Can the advisor override the Degree Navigator in situations like this?
@3scoutsmom Each school can decide what credit they want to give for any AP or want to accept any CLEP. So it is true that OU decided to give credit for Biology lab for AP Biology but decided not to give lab for Physics. Hence my D has registered this fall just Physics lab for 1 credit (since that is required for her pre-med).
My understanding adviser override the Degree Navigator in situations where higher level course can meet the requirement. It is very much needed in courses like Stats (where OU has so many variations close 10-15 courses) with a subject twist like Econ, Biol, Soc, Math, Psy. She needs to take Bio 2913 (stat) but that is full so she registered for Math 4753. But Math 4753 accepted in Pre-med where as for Bio Minor it says either Bio 2913 or Bio 4913. So we need to reach out to Adviser to accept Math 4753 for Bio 4913. All are nothing but higher level stats.
Once a substitution has been accepted, there is typically a note under that section of the Degree Navigator.
For example, I was able to use my honors research to satisfy my major research requirement. The following is directly beneath the class:
“Note: Faculty approved substitution of XXXX 3980 (Honors course) to satisfy this requirement. Documentation is in file.”
So if that isn’t there, it may be something to reach out about.
And @GoldenRock, it sounds like you pretty much understand the process. What does GE stand for though?
@WoolScarves Good to know! I think the issue is that she’s been working with an Honors advisor not an advisor from her major yet so there’s been a lot of email back and forth about substituting that class but no note on the Degree Navigator, I think they may be waiting until she meets with an advisor from her actual department before they add any notes?
In my experience, my college faculty and advisers are the ones who make most of the changes. I haven’t been to see the Honors College advisers since my freshman year.
@WoolScarves GE is General Education Requirements.
It is interesting that all 3 of us are having advisers from 3 different departments. Looks like depending on the program student has joined. Also it may change after freshman and depending on which major / college student pursues. My D so far reached out to Adviser in Scholarship program in OU Scholars office and my D is National Merit scholar. She had only phone interview. Adviser informed her to meet her in person in the first 2 weeks once she arrives in OU in Aug.
@GoldenRock I’ve never heard of a GE Capstone before. What program requires it?
Your D could go within first two weeks, but I’m not totally sure that I see the point. You sign up for an adviser’s appointment in the middle of the semester and you can discuss courses then. Talking within the first two weeks is probably only likely to add to her confusion, as she’ll be adjusting. Not a huge deal either way, just doesn’t seem very necessary.
@WoolScarves My D plans to do History Major. When you look at any check sheets, under the GE section in part V, it lists Sr.Capstone. The link I mentioned, pretty much list the possible courses for this part, most of the major capstone project.
Officially my D’s formal advising is over, via the phone. She has registered for 16 credits including some senior level course like MATH 4753 (Stats) and OChem 3053. So I think, her adviser feels, she is stretching herself, so she wants to talk to her once she is on campus and before add and drop gets over. That is my guess.
What are you majoring and in which year are you? Based on your experience, is 16 doable or raises red flag? Thanks.
@GoldenRock Well I have some good news for you. The GE capstone and the major capstone are the same thing. It’s a little confusing how they have it set up, but HIST 4973 will satisfy that.
And that makes some sense. Just an FYI, the add period is only one week.
That course list seems doable. She shouldn’t worry about the math, that stats course is actually pretty easy. OChem is more challenging and the professors right now are fairly new at teaching. I knew NMFs that took it as freshman and had mixed experiences. Almost all succeeded, but it was a very rough introduction to college for some, as it was more difficult than they were used to.
16 is not a problem, IMO (especially when you live on campus, as you don’t have to take commute into account, really). I think I took 16 my first semester. I know students that take up to 21 per semester. Your D will learn what works for her. I went in with a 5 in AP Chem, but chose to retake Chem 1 and Chem 2 rather than go straight into OChem, because I wanted the easy As and an easy course-load my first year. I was happy with that decision. If she’s motivated to take OChem, then she can take it. If she’s unsure about it, I’d recommend against it (of course, this is dependent on if she’s wanting to graduate early and the pace of the program, etc.)
I’m a Chemistry Education major. I’ll be going into my senior year. I’m thinking about typing up a pretty extensive, general guide about my experience here at OU this weekend. If there’s anything in particular that you’d like me to address, please let me know.
@WoolScarves That will be wonderful if you could share the general guide you plan to write. Thanks for your efforts and helping others.
I was searching in ou site and did not succeed. How to find out the cost for the student health insurance offered by OU. Just found out that my insurance (Kaiser HMO) apparently covers only Urgent and Emergency care and it explicitly states it will not cover routine care and we need to take a separate insurance. So I was trying hard in OU site and found it is not that easy to locate that info.