<p>Does anyone know for sure when the Academy starts to send out offers of appointment (not LOA's)? I have started seeing posting that state they have their triple qualified letter and recently received notice of getting a nomination. Will the Academy start sending out actual appointments, or do they wait until the official application deadline (which I believe is 1/31/05)?</p>
<p>Although I am not sure of the accuracy of this...several students at CVW indicated that they had appointments. They stated that they had received word from the Academy after getting a LOA and a nomination. I can't verify if this is accurate as it was talked about and you never fully know if everyone is using the same terminology.</p>
<p>At the CVW I was sure they said they do it by state. Once the states "slate" is finished and they know all of the appoinments for that state then they send them out. So until all of the congressmen and senators for that state are in they don't go out.</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies. What everyone has said makes sense, since some of th eposts have stated nominations have already been received. Other people have posted that their interviews are not even scheduled until December or beginning of January.</p>
<p>Here's some information I found on the USNA website in a powerpoint presentation for BGO's entitled - EOV Admission Brief. If you want the entire presentation, search for "scholastic qualification" on the USNA website. Another point of information was that of the 1200 cadets of the 2008 class, 270 were NAPS and 80 were Foundation cadets. Sorry for the format but the table format looked great until I submitted it for preview.</p>
<p>Nominations and Appointments - 3 Year Average</p>
<p>Congressional Nominations *** Noms --- Appts
Senators *** 1162 --- 109<br>
Representatives *** 3392 --- 426
Vice President *** 10 --- 1
Delegates *** 21 --- 2
Subtotal *** 4585 --- 538</p>
<p>Military Service Connected Nominations
Presidential (Son/Dau of Career Mil)*** 468 --- 89
SECNAV (USN/USMC Regular/Res)*** 564 --- 170
Son/Dau of Disabled Veterans/POW/MOH *** 18 --- 5
NROTC/NJROTC and desig Honor Sch*** 287 --- 20
Superintendent (50)*** 39 --- 37
TOTAL NOMINATIONS/OTHER APPTS*** 5961 --- 859</p>
<pre><code>TOTAL APPTS FROM ALL SOURCES *** 859
QUALIFIED ALTERNATE APPOINTMENTS *** 150
ADDITIONAL APPOINTEES *** 208
TOTAL APPOINTMENTS *** 1217
</code></pre>
<p>Aspen - </p>
<p>You sure you weren't in military intelligence before becoming a parent? ;0</p>
<p>What jumps out at me? Supe nominations were higher than I thought.</p>
<p>Looking at the page is even scarier. Only 538 from high school get an appointment.</p>
<p>Looking at more of this info...</p>
<ol>
<li><p>NAPS SAT avg - 1230
Non-NAPS, non-Foundation SAT avg - 1325</p></li>
<li><p>Majority males have dropped from 70% (class of '00) to 58% (class of '08) in 8 years.</p></li>
<li><p>The 9000 swing points? Based on:
-subjective data (essay/BGO interview/GC evaluation/personal observation)
-secondary school/course rigor
-leadership
-interest level/familiarity with USNA (points for summer seminar attendance)
-unique background/skills (athlete, minority, languages, adversity)
-part-time job</p></li>
</ol>
<p>what is a majority male?</p>
<p>caucasian male. Eg, not a female, not a minority.</p>
<p>I believe that there were over 1400 offers of appointment, based on the '08 profile. How do the additional 200+ appointments fit into the picture? (They are not listed above)</p>
<p>Also some of the appointments in the additional categories are high school students (pres. nominees, sup nominees, daughter/son of disabled veteran, etc.)</p>
<p>The SAT information is no surprize. It has been said many times in this forum that those appointees with the SAT scores in the lower range were probably not directly from high school, but either from the fleet, NAPS or foundation. This information supports the opinions.
Good Luck
CM</p>
<p>I believe that 1400+ appointments were offered. However, some individuals do decline the offer of appointment. The statistics that were presented are based on those appointments that were accepted.</p>
<p>I guess I just wanted clarification so as not to panic the current candidates. Those additional 200 appointments are significant when trying to (hopefully) determine one's odds of being selected.
Best of Luck to all.
CM</p>
<p>So much of the selection process is dependant on the competition within your congressional district and state. Also, it depends on what system (principal with competing alternates, rank order, etc) that the MOC utilizes. I can tell you that it was a real eye-opening experience for us. Sometimes you can get information from the administrative assistant in the congressional offices. They may tell you how many nominations will be made to each academy, how many applications for nominations to each academy were requested, etc. A member of the USNA Alumni Assoc explained the process to us in great detail. It helped our understanding of the whole process. It also helped us understand why in some cases it takes so much time. If you come from a highly competitive area and are a strong candidate, you may be presented with the option for a Foundation Sponsorship to private prep school. I think that this is one way that the Academy finds a way to keep highly qualified candidates. Many of these sponsorships go to candidates with impressive credentials. Those invitations to apply will probably go out in January. I can tell you that having two daughters that got in to their early decision schools, this process was pure torture. Hang in there!</p>
<p>rmoorenc: You're right that the numbers for congressional/non-military familiy high school appointments is lower than one might expect (538). This caught my attention since our son falls into this category. However, some of the qualified alternate appointments(150) and additional appointments(208) are likely non-military family as well. I think some letter of assurance candidates and recruited athletes may fall into these categories. Don't know what falls into superintendent category. Will try my luck googleing and report back.</p>
<p>Here's some info I found on the military service connected nominations(parents may want to enlist between now and next April, or have your child legally adopted by an elligible family):</p>
<p>An unlimited number of presidential nominations is available for children and legally adopted children of career officer and enlisted personnel of the armed forces, active or reserve, including the Coast Guard. One hundred candidates may be appointed with these nominations each year. A parent in the Reserves must be serving as member of a reserve component and be credited with at least eight years of service or must be entitled to retired pay except that he or she is not yet sixty years old. Otherwise, the parent must currently be on active duty (other than for training) and have served continuously for at least eight years or have been retired with pay or granted retired or retainer pay. The president may also appoint the children of Medal of Honor winners.
Students may also be appointed to the service academies based on nominations as children of military personnel who were killed in action; died from wounds, injuries or disease while on active duty; sustained 100 percent disability from such wounds, injuries, or disease as certified by the Department of Veterans Affairs; or who are currently prisoners of war (POW) or missing in action (MIA). The children of civilians in POW or MIA status also are eligible. Legally adopted children are eligible.</p>
<p>The secretary of the appropriate service may nominate for appointment enlisted members of the regular and the reserve components of the appropriate service, members of the services own Reserve Officer Training Corps and Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps programs, and the Junior Reserve Officer Training programs of the other services which have been designated as Honor Units with Distinction.</p>
<p>Found a copy of the guide sent by the department of defense to the members of congress outlining the nomination process. It can be found at
<a href="http://www.admissions.usafa.af.mil/RR/Congressional.pdf%5B/url%5D">www.admissions.usafa.af.mil/RR/Congressional.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Interesting piece of information. In my previous post there were categories titled Qualified Alternate Appointments and Additional Appointee. As I suspected, most of these appointments also have congressional nominations. Good news is that this means that there are substantially more than 538 appointments coming from congressional nominations. Probably closer to 850. However, you likely need to offset this by some of the 350 NAPS and Foundation appointments that did not have military service connected nominations.The above guide had this to say about these appointments:</p>
<p>Qualified Appt.: If the annual quota of cadets is not filled, the Secretary of the appropriate service may select up to 150 candidates who received congressional nominations but were not selected. These candidates must be fully qualified, and will be selected in order of merit from the academy waiting list.</p>
<p>Additional Appt.: If the annual quota of cadets is still not filled, the Secretary may nominate candidates who competed for the nomination and are fully qualified. At least three-fourths of these candidates must have received a congressional nomination.</p>
<p>DOD guys must have nixed your link there, aspen.</p>
<p>Shogun:</p>
<p>Sorry link didn't work. Try googleing: "department of defense congressional nomination" </p>
<p>On my computer the first "hit" references the document you want.</p>
<p>Let me know if it works.</p>
<p>BINGO.</p>
<p>Thanks Aspen.</p>
<p>Evidently the academies have the option to send letters to MOC requesting that a candidate receive a nomination. My daughter was told by an admissions officer that one was requested for her by WP admissions to both our senator's offices. Not sure if Navy does as well but I would imagine so. Her first senatorial interview is Dec 11.</p>
<p>That is scary. I get more & more discouraged each time I look at stats like that...hopefully I'll get into NAPS if I can't get to USNA right out of high school.</p>