<p>sorry, so I know you got 730 jimminy, but that still guarantee anything. you think 710 will work?</p>
<p>Oh I am such a retard, I typed it all wrong. let me correct that to this "that still does NOT guarantee anything"
let's talk about app essays for architecture! I'm doing mine right now and it wasn't as fun as i thought it would be.</p>
<p>Oh, does it seem odd that Cooper is not even ranked?</p>
<p>Jrock, what have you decided upon in the end?</p>
<p>Where is Jrock?
His work is to perpetuate this thread, and make sure it is running as long as possible.</p>
<p>Yes, you and Jrock started this interesting thread~</p>
<p>Both Jrock and myself changed our minds in the past year. Instead of wasting 5 years on something that might be fruitless at last, I started to rethink about my decision. Jrock also did that, so ,please make wise decisions.</p>
<p>Wow, this is a pretty hoppin' thread, haha. Anyways, just thought I'd drop in and say "hi" and "I'm interested in architecture" (though I'll have to take a couple of classes to figure out if I want to concentrate in it). Though I've always been interested in architecture, I was slightly turned off by the idea of taking a lot math and science courses to earn a degree; however, I've found that there are nearly no upper-level math or science courses required of concentrators (at least at the school I'll be attending, Princeton). Any reason why that is? Sorry if this has been addressed before.</p>
<p>Whoop for architecture! I'm reading The Story of Architecture right now and basically drooling over the magnificent buildings and the architects who designed them.</p>
<p>I am going for civil engineering with a concentration in either structures or design. Since that's the closest practical approach to architecture. With the correct course combination, a degree in in Civil can lead to a masters in architecture, and I'm really busy exploring all the options, looking for my best fit. It's a life-changing decision, so to speak. We all have to choose carefully and well.</p>
<p>For example, Frank Llyod Wright trained originally as a civil engineer. He never studied architecture formally. Thomas Jefferson was not a trained architect, yet he designed the UVa campus and his Monticello residence singlehanded.</p>
<p>Whatever it is that you have the innate ability for will eventually come to the surface, no matter how long it is suppressed. Sooner or later, you will find your niche.</p>
<p>I rest my case here.</p>
<p>Hi Jrock, I was thinking about that too! but I felt that civil would be more competitive (the portfolio would not be assessed) and also more boring than design studios. So have you considered texas at austin and kansas state where you can get dual degrees for arch and arch. eng? Also, I think i heard from a very kind mom on this site that there are M.arch programs with a structural focus that allow you to get licensed as an engineer as well. What do you think?</p>
<p>oh, by the way, the dual degree programs are (i think) around 5.5 years, so it's a pretty good deal. i'm not very sure though.</p>
<p>however i agree with fallingwater0328 very very very much that people should choose wisely. it would be nice to save a spot for people who have real interest</p>
<p>Yeah, bneg, that's a good idea. Basically, it all depends on which university I end up in, because the atmospheres are different in various places. Like in WashU, for example, I could easily double-major in Civil engineering and arch in 4 years, or go for a seven-year program that gives me the licence to practise architecture as well as get a masters in civil engineering. Many universities have ways of bridging the gap between civil and arch. </p>
<p>I really don't know what architectural engineering entails. Is it a fusion of arch and civil?</p>
<p>But I think that civil engineering is less competitive at least in a place like Cornell which operates a collegiate system. And since there is no portfolio required, having one would be to your advantage. And even if you don't have one, they look at your academics.</p>
<p>Thanks, anyway, because I'll keep a sharp lookout for any programs that'll just fit. In Cambridge U, civil engineering is offered, with a concentration in either structure or design, and you get your bachelor's in 3 years and an additonal year for a masters degree. Quite short, isn't it?!</p>
<p>Great philntex! Go P! But I so much want an absolutely strong math and science background that I think civil engineering would do more justice to that than architecture would. The only such courses available in arch are physics and calculus, and nothing more. The rest are arch, history of art, etc. Or do you think otherwise?</p>
<p>Fallinwater, are you down for History of Art and Arch? Or what do you plan to major in?</p>
<p>! Cambridge's program is astoundingly short. I have the same feelings that the tech aspect of arch is what counts, because I think most people can design if they like to design, however no one is born with all the engineering stuff in their heads. I dropped the idea of civil because it looked like it covered much more material than arch will encounter, and i'm not good at handling extraneous stuff~ however, if you are so very determined, I think you will be very happy in the end that you chose this path.</p>
<p>Here's Sample Undergraduate Curriculum from Princeton Review </p>
<p>Calculus
Architectural Graphics
Architectural Design
Physics
Computers in Engineering
Engineering Systems Mathematics
Plane Surveying
Statics and Dynamics
Building Materials Science
Electronics and Electric Circuits
Structural Analysis
Structural Design
History of Architecture
Construction Contracting </p>
<p>Doesn't look too bad. Still has arch hist though.</p>
<p>is that an architecture or civil engineering curriculum, sorry?</p>
<p>i hope it's civil, sounds great, but it looks more like arch. can't tell.</p>
<p>that's arch eng.
here's civil:</p>
<p>Calculus and Analytic Geometry
Differential Equations
Geology
Physics
Engineering Graphics
Dynamics
Materials of Construction
Surveying and Measurement
Fluid Mechanics !!!
Structural Principles
Structural Masonry Design
Thermodynamics !!!
Reinforced Concrete Design
Civil Engineering Ethics
Transportation Engineering !!</p>
<p>!!! = a bit too related to bridges. What about thermo? I really cannot figure out.</p>
<p>However I think some of these are quite essential. From what I read in others books arch. eng also deals with acoustics, plumbing, lighting, and electrical systems, and civil has this thing called 'hydraulics' which I still do not fully understand. These are the things not included in the lists.</p>
<p>If you find a really good program Jrock, can you please tell me~ I'll also be checking out more joint/dual degree programs. Thanks!</p>