Are My Scores Good Enough for Lower Ivies (Penn, Brown etc)

<p>SAT: 780 CR, 780 WR, 650 MA
SAT II: 800 Chinese w/ Listening (not native speaker), 700 World History, 750 Literature
APs (self-study): Psych (5), World (5), Comp Gov (5), Euro (5), Human Geo (5)
^National AP scholar for my country </p>

<p>GPA: 3.88 Unweighted, Top 7%</p>

<p>I'm applying to Penn CAS (int'l relations) early because it's need-blind to Canadians, and I need financial aid. Are my stats good enough?</p>

<p>I would think it comes down to your EC’s, essays and gpa from here </p>

<p>@thegrant My math score is kind of low though :confused: And I’m not sure if I’ll improve too much for the October SAT. </p>

<p>You can find out for yourself by searching for the Common Data Set for each of your target schools.</p>

<p>(Lower Ivies, seriously?)</p>

<p>@Joblue I didn’t mean to give it a negative connotation. Sorry if that offended you. </p>

<p>Hopefully you don’t refer to these fine institutions as “lower ivies” in your application.</p>

<p>Lol, this is why my friends told me not to do CC. If you aren’t going to be helpful, might as well not comment on my thread. </p>

<p>@FuzzyPeaches22‌ lol dont worry a lot of people on this forum get offended easily. Sometimes people will say stuff lightheartedly and then 2 people will make a big deal about how immature/offensive it sounded. #yolo </p>

<p>@FuzzyPeaches22‌
@skieurope does have a point, though. Each school is supposed to fit YOU. By referring them to “lower ivies” it seems as if you’re in it to be an “Ivy-leaguer,” and that’s just wasting those schools’ time and your $50 application fee (I think it’s $50).</p>

<p>Oy vey, give the OP a break! We know absolutely nothing about his/her situation, I’m guessing he/she only put “lower Ivies” to give us an idea of the competitiveness of the school. </p>

<p>OP, your test scores are fine, even with a 680 in math (I know how it feels, I’m applying to a similar set of schools with a 690 in math), no school (high or low Ivy, which have very similar test score ranges, which I think is why a lot of people jumped on you) will reject you because of your test scores. As @thegrant said, it will come down to intangibles. Sorry for the excessive parentheses. :P</p>

<p>Let’s agree to say “fun Ivies” instead of “lower Ivies” - it’s closer to the truth. I would NOT have fit in at any HYP.</p>

<p>Even the fun Ivies are not a done deal, but with your proposed major, I would not worry too much about your math SAT score having a negative impact.</p>

<p>You, and anyone else who is targeting non-HYP Ivies should consider the different environments of the schools. If you are near Toronto, you might be able to check out some of the campuses within a few days. Lots of programs around Canadian Thanksgiving, which is Columbus Day in the US and many US high schools have off too.</p>

<p>Ruling out the Canadian Ivy McGill, eh?</p>

<p>To clarify, it was NEVER in my intention to make Penn, Brown, Darmouth, and Cornell sound lesser or worse than HYPSM. Again, I’ve apologized, so I don’t understand what the big deal is. I would never fit in HYPSM, and my dream school is Penn. I’m also not applying to Dartmouth and Cornell. If I was really in it to be an “ivy leaguer”, I would be applying to all the Ivy Leagues. </p>

<p>Thanks everyone who have been supportive – @thegrant @Newdle @butterfreesnd @rhandco
If it weren’t for you guys, I would’ve felt kind of sad/upset today haha.</p>

<p>@Joblue I have already, but since my prospective major is in humanities, I was wondering if my math mark would be looked at with more leniency as opposed to those going into STEM majors.</p>

<p>The main reason I’m posting this thread is because of my SAT math mark and SAT II World mark. As an international applicant (an Asian one at that), I don’t have a lot of resources/information about the US application system, so I thought CC would be a good forum to ask some questions. Yes, I will be applying to a lot of universities in my country – just taking a shot at US schools because why not?</p>

<p>Thanks again!</p>

<p>P.S @Jeff935 would be what cc members call a ■■■■■? </p>

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<p>@FuzzyPeaches22‌
No problem; deep inside, we all love you :)… Well, let’s hope. Just remember that those schools are crapshoots for everyone (well, there are exceptions…). If you can prove you’re academically qualified–say, teacher recommendations–you should focus on the more important things: showcasing your personal traits etc. Not every school prepares people well enough for 'dem standardized tests. I know mine does a pretty bad job…I’ve always been top in my math class but went in flummoxed on the Math Level II a few months ago, haha…Good luck!</p>

<p>Have you considered Georgetown SFS? They have a top IR program in the nation. But it can be more difficut to get in than Brown or Upenn, due to the very limited spots.</p>

<p>Try to improve your Math score to above 700. </p>

<p>Also need excellent essays etc for these selective schools.</p>

<p>@houseofcats Thanks! I just looked into the SFS program and I LOVE IT! I’ve posted a thread about the rest of my info (ecs, essays, teacher recs), so i’m hoping I’ll get some more suggestions. </p>

<p>Math is my weakest point (even though I’m Chinese, breaking the stereotype haha). Im working through math books right now, but I cannot guarantee that I will be able to pull it above 700 for the October SAT. </p>

<p>P.S Love your username!</p>

<p>Visit the schools that you are considering. “Fit” is the key word nowadays. Speak with the people who are IR field. If financial aid is a concern, look around more for the best aid.</p>