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<p>Are Syrians considered Asian? Steve Jobs was born to Syrian muslim father.</p>
<p>TPG, in addition to be factually incorrect, is there any relevance to this thread. Not only did Steve Jobs never use his ethnic background in a college application process, his career at Reed has been well documented. </p>
<p>PS It is factually incorrect because his birth-mother is not Syrian. Only the dad.
PPS Haha – quick edits rule the day. :)</p>
<p>tesxas,
LOL! 
I thought that Steve Jobs transcends the race 
In addition, Asian Americans are strong in math, science and technology. Aren’t they. Apple is at the very top of all technology companies and any Asian American students know very well iMacs, iPads, and iPhones. For me, I just bought an iPad … but never used iPhone. Its just too hard to keep up.</p>
<p>I read in his commencement address that his biological mother was a graduate student, but he never mentioned who the father was.</p>
<p>Now, folks, get the idea — Obama was born of Caucacian mom and Nigerian Dad. Steve Jobs was born of Caucacian mom (I am assuming it) and a Syrian dad. So, who will be the most famous Asian dad and … will be? Oh, is Julie Chen, CBS morning show hostess, is she born of Chinese dad and a Cacacian or Hispanic mom?</p>
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<p>Take it as you will, but I do not think there is much value in debating the biological fathers of Obama and Steve Jobs, or linking to Nigeria or Syria beyond the remarkably trivial. The fathers hardly would make the cut for the fathers of the year awards. And, fwiw, harping on that part of their life constitutes a slight to the good people who raised both Obama and Steve Jobs. </p>
<p>And then again, what does this have to do with this discussion? There is a Steve Jobs thread in the Parents’ forum, and there are plenty of wikipedia-like sites with detailed information about the family history of those two gentlemen.</p>
<p>^it was merely genetics – superiority of first generation of mixed parents. an asian dad and a caucacian mom, ok? unfortunately though, the children will have to suffer the same ‘discrimination/suppression/racial quota/the niddle hole opening’ fate for having to carry an asian last name.</p>
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Acutally I would think the opposite is true in general, with exceptions.</p>
<p>Syria is in the Middle East. The Common App checkbox shows as: “White (Including Middle Eastern)”, so Steve Jobs is 100% White for college admissions purposes.</p>
<p>ewho:
what does your son want to do? If he is in the STEM major, he made the right choice in going to Stanford over Yale. My both sons are in bio major and 1st will be taking MCAT to apply medschool next year.</p>
<p>Bay, but children of Asian dad + any race mom won’t be able to hide that dreaded a last name in common app. You can try to explain that your mom is a URM, but won’t make a diference. ;)</p>
<p>texaspg,
her child has the Jewish last name, and she wasn’t affected by the asian quota. when a chinese girl marries a white, don’t keep looking at them. they have crossed the line.</p>
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<p>Man, what a heavy cross to carry on your Golgotha periple through such a discriminatory process. I wonder what hurts the most … the outcome or the fact that agenda-free and unbiased people do not buy the unproven arguments. </p>
<p>It is a really a shame that you had to go through the process a couple of decades after the same supposedly afflicted group reaped the overwhelming benefits of being under-represented. Where are the good old days when all that was needed was to ace that SAT and enroll at a couple of Kumon and Suzuki academies. And, then sports, what is that they want? Why is excellence in individual sports not recognized like team sports? Why is the ME really less important than the WE? And, then, what about those EC? What good do those do to me? </p>
<p>Bunch of racists, that is what they are!</p>
<p>Re: Amy Chua’s daughter</p>
<p>Amy Chua’s daughter can hardly be seen as a typical example of college admissions, since she is (a) a double legacy at Harvard, (b) a daughter of two faculty members at Yale, and (c) a celebrity, due to the well timed publication of the book where she is featured.</p>
<p>hey Xiggi - why aren’t you contributing to the discussion about Caltech being number 1?</p>
<p>Toughyear - Amy Chua’s daughter was born with a silver spoon. She has double legacies at both schools (I think both her parents did attend Harvard), there was no way Yale could reject her when both her parents are faculty on the number one law school in the country, and then there was a whole book written about her upbringing (I am betting her mother released it just in time to make her a celebrity and irresistable to colleges).</p>
<p>Looks like UCB beat out my thunder.</p>
<p>I know texaspg. One of my Chinese colleagues said Amy Chua’s daughter got admitted into Harvard, so I told him, she is not a Chinese, but Jewish. :)</p>
<p>What do you mean “Looks like UCB beat out my thunder”?</p>
<p>His got posted just before mine. I posted mine and then noticed he stated all of my points and so I went back and edited mine!</p>
<p>^Is Xiggi from UCB?</p>
<p>I loved USB campus when I went there to do some experiment in early 80s. I liked it so much that when a friend of mine went there for interview, I tagged him along for another visit.</p>
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<p>Any theoretical racial or ethnic discrimination that does or does not exist would not override the fact that she had massive hooks, so she was not comparable to the “typical” unhooked applicant in any way (other than having a presumably “near maximum” academic record that is necessary, but not sufficient, to be admitted to the super selective schools).</p>
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<p>I find all your “reducing” of these accomplished people to their genetic backgrounds quite distasteful. I thought you wanted people to look beyond race to merit, but apparently all you see when you look at someone is their genetic makeup.</p>
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<p>TPG, I am not sure what you’d expect me to add to that discussion. Caltech is a wonferful school that fills a need superbly. So is MIT. And so is a smallish school known to steal both a cannon and a bit of thunder from its rival in Pasadena. As far as being numero UNO, it is nice and might change next week. What difference does it really make? </p>
<p>Although we might debate the different methodologies and the different outcomes they generate, the final “ranking” is usually meaningless. The reality is that individuals should have their own rankings since their individual “methodology” should yield a different list of favorites. Well, relatively different that is.</p>
<p>Fwiw, I can (and do) understand how devastating it can be to be rejected by a school. And that is why reasonable people do compose a list that should eliminate or reduce the disappointments. In a world of single digits acceptance rates, one has to be realistic about the odds. While it is easy to believe that being in the 19 out of 20 that are rejected will be someone ELSE, it is helpful to recognize that many of the 19 will be every bit as qualified and deserving, especially since the qualifications and merits are hardly universally defined. And that is why I look at the repeated and hollow claims of discrimination with disdain and … sadness.</p>