Ask a Graduating Senior

Hello Everyone,

I used this website quite a bit in high school, and it was really impactful in convincing me to come to Notre Dame. I wanted to offer what observations I’ve made while at Notre Dame for anyone who wants some straight talk on what it is like. If anyone is interested I will be happy to answer any questions about Notre Dame (academics, social life, pros/cons, etc.).

My background:

Majors: Finance and a second major in Arts and Letters
Origin: Midwest (Not Chicago)
Stats at Admission: 33 on the ACT, went to a slightly above average public high school in Midwest, had fairly normal extracurricular opportunities (no service trips or fancy research in HS), in top couple of percent in high school.
While at ND: Involved in off-campus volunteering, a handful of business clubs, a faith-based group, and ND’s small startup culture.

Things I might be able to shed some light on:

Discerning between potential majors at ND (particularly within the business school)
Picking between ND and another top program (Ivies, etc.)
What do ND students do with their business degrees?
Notre Dame reputation (by geography, field of study)
Off-campus environment (South Bend)
Social Scene, campus culture
What the students are like
On-campus resources that make ND especially appealing
Merit scholars programs at ND (Involved with a couple)

I am really happy with my time at ND, but I am by no means a zealot. Please let me know on here or in a private message if you have any burning questions. Best of luck to you all as you prepare to pick a school!

hey man thanks a lot for doing this.

I got into Notre Dame, but was not pre-approved to enter Mendoza. Do you have any experience with entering the business school after the first year studies are concluded? Also looking to be a finance major, so I would also appreciate any insight to the program and how they set you up for life after graduation. :slight_smile:

Thanks again

The pre-approval process is a relatively new thing (~2 years?) and so I did not go through it. They have implemented it because so many people want to study finance due to its high ranking. I suspect that they will be looking at your first year grades to see if you qualify to be accepted later, so as a freshman you probably want to take easier courses and avoid potential pitfalls like Intro to Philosophy to boost your GPA.

Within Mendoza there is (arguably) a pretty clear perceived hierarchy of post-graduate opportunities. The “top” students will go with two usual options:

  1. High Finance: These are the high-powered jobs that put you on the fast track to being part of massive financial deals. The usual entry point is investment banking, which is by far the most financially lucrative option out of undergrad, and likely a great stepping point to building a prestigious resume. While the financial and career upside is great in the field, it comes at a cost. The hours are extensive, averaging between 65-85 hours a week with peaks that exceed 100 hours. You see a lot of Mendoza seniors planning to do this two years and then leave for private equity or MBA. You can learn more about the field at the Wall Street Oasis webpage.
  2. Management Consulting: Consultants go into businesses and try to help them fix problems. You go into ambiguous situations and structure problems and try to recommend solutions. It's all about logical and structured thinking. You then take these ideas to leadership (can be anything from a divisional manager to CEO of a company). Lots of people pursue this field because it's very prestigious and perceived to be glamorous due to the shoulder rubbing with executives. The downsides here are sometimes long hours (55-70 on average) and the extensive traveling (80% of workdays for a lot of firms)

Once you get out of these fields, it really varies. Some examples of places people have gone:

  1. Corporate Finance - Any big company needs people who understand financials to go and tell them whether they should undertake a project or make an investment. This is very common as a career choice due to the more friendly hours.
  2. Private Wealth Management - You help rich people invest their money
  3. Sales and Trading - You help companies buy and sell things ranging from commodities to production inputs. Lots of proffs say this will be automated away.
  4. Business Leadership development programs
  5. Equity research - You become an expert on a stock or industry and you help make analyses of it
  6. Go to any "Bulge Bracket" bank (Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Deutsche, etc.) and look up their services offered. Odds are, there are ND people there.

I would not be too worried about being a “finance” major. Firstly, there is a financial economics and econometrics concentration in Econ that will give you very similar skills with a unique technical background. Secondly, there are clubs like the Wall Street Club that teach you the financial skills you need for these fields (most people in banking learned the tools of the trade outside the classroom). Thirdly, I have been really surprised by how well people have done who are not finance majors. We placed more non-finance majors at the best consulting firms than finance, and I would argue (and this is very much open for debate) that investment banks and management consulting firms would be happier with someone with a math, science, or computer science background who can do the basics of finance than if you were a finance whiz.

If you have more personalized questions shoot me a message and I’ll be happy to answer them.

Hey, I appreciate you taking the time to answer questions. Thanks!!

I am trying to decide between going to Notre Dame and UNC-Chapel Hill. I plan on going into computer science. I am a very outdoorsy/adventurous guy who is looking for a college with a strong community feel.

Would you be able to comment on the social/party scene at Notre Dame? I partied (with drinking/smoking) a considerable amount in high school, and was curious how much I would be giving up at Notre Dame. I have heard that the administration is very strict, with parietals and a policy of chastity and all. Do students have a sex life? Less important, but how frowned upon is marijuana? Of course, I will be mainly focused on my studies, but I would like your opinion on what parties are like on the weekends/if the workload even allows enough time to go out and party.

Also, in your list of things you could shed some light on, you listed “what the students are like.” I would love to hear more about Notre Dame students and the on-campus/off-campus (South Bend) culture in general.

Thanks!

The Notre Dame party scene seems to be evolving pretty rapidly. Full disclosure, I was more focused on work more than the social scene of my first two years. However, I’ve had enough experiences directly or amongst my friends to share a little.

Parietals and their strictness really vary by the dorm. No one of the opposite sex is allowed in the dorm after midnight during week nights, and 2AM on weekends according to the rules. In my dorm, that was effectively ignored. As long as they stayed in your room overnight, you wouldn’t have a problem. If you roommates don’t mind you bringing someone over, you should be fine. The key is that it is much easier typically to break parietals in a boys dorm.

The workload can be intense, but I think anyone can make time to go out if they want to. Business majors usually can go Thursday/Friday/Saturday, but even the time-strapped architecture students can escape for a night or two on the town. During freshman year most people go to “dorm parties”, which are held in guys dorm rooms. Sophomore year, people usually get fake IDs and go to certain bars that allow them (unofficially of course). Seniors then typically all go to certain bars and house parties, with probably an 80%/20% split.

Notre Dame is just like any other college. Lots of people hook up with each other. There might be more judgement by some people, but it depends on the group you spend your time with. I know lots of people who went wild, and I also know lots who are waiting for marriage. Where Notre Dame is different is that certain people are more openly “judgey”, but those people don’t go out much anyways normally. There won’t be a witchhunt, but like any college word can get around about anybody.

The major downside based on what you’ve asked about with regards to potentially going to ND is marijuana. Notre Dame is tremendously strict. I would recommend that if you ever consider smoking marijuana, it is nowhere near campus. They tolerate and turn a blind eye to drinking in the dorms, but drug use is very strictly prohibited (and that is enforced).

On the student personality front, I was surprised by how similar a lot of the students are. It makes creating a sense of community easy, but if you are different you can struggle to adjust. Most people are from upper-middle class and lower-upper class families. They went to strong private schools. They work hard, and are looking for jobs that are professionally secure and respected (read: risk averse). They know how to work very hard for extended periods of time, but due to their upbringing they are also very social. They easily handle social situations with new people, and embrace being part of a group.

There is very little interaction between South Bend and ND. There’s going to be new construction south of campus during your (potential) time here that might help, but unless you make an effort you won’t get out except to go to bars and off-campus houses.

I would take all of this keeping in mind I’m biased. I’ve always put a heavy priority on school, and many of my comments come from secondhand experience shared by my classmates. If anything is a “worry” you should be thinking about, it would be the use of marijuana. Doing that on campus has caused a lot of problems for students.

Hope this helps!

Not the OP, but we know a number of current students, and recent ND grads, and the comments about marijuana are accurate. While there may be tolerance for under aged drinking, there is NO tolerance for marijuana period (and don’t event think about “stronger” drugs). Kids get kicked out for a semester because a very small amount of pot was found in their room. ND is not a place where you can smoke casually and get away with it.