<p>Why is everyone bagging on UCLA and Cal? Because they’re public schools (<em>ick</em>)?</p>
<p>Cal is on par with (if not superior to) most the Ivies in science, and its other programs are top notch as well. UCLA is no slouch either (if you exclude the football team…)</p>
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<p>Ah, okay. Well, disregarding your sarcasm, they have a pretty kickass college policy team. I’m just saying that I don’t think one or two people can speak for the prestige of a school for everyone else around the country.</p>
<p>This thread is ridiculous. MIT=Einstein types? Someone, talking about Northwestern, thinks he needs to say “I’m not saying it’s not a good school”? And that person thinks that everyone at Northwestern has never had anyone working underneath them, ever? Sure, tell that to John Paul Stevens, and he’ll inform you that even though he looked like a Supreme Court Justice, he was really at the bottom of the legal career.</p>
<p>My sister goes to Northwestern and my mother went to Cornell, where my sister was rejected. I get to constantly disparage it, especially in comparison to the Ivies, but Dbate seems to be spewing nonsense. Some graduate of pretty much every college (probably every college) has obviously had people working for them. I mean, come on, Kellogg is incredibly highly ranked.</p>
<p>After reading the ongoing debate about Northwestern’s prestige, I have to add that as a senior in Cali, I honestly had never heard of Northwestern or UofC either. But like fuzzyfirebunny said, our opinions shouldn’t be generalized to the entire country. I agree that perhaps it is a generational difference, since most people from my town seem to either apply strictly to Cali schools or the east coast. I think that if you went outside on the streets and took a poll of the “”“best”“” ( probably based on prestige and not quality of school) colleges in the US, HYMPS would definitely be present but Northwestern probably wouldn’t be on everyone’s list. BUT Prestige says nothing about the quality of the school’s academics, faculty, and resources which Northwestern definitely has, it just lacks the prestige that HYP have.</p>
<p>It does all depend on location, but internationally I know Cal and UCLA are pretty high up there. People on CC seem to really dislike the UCs for some reason.</p>
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<p>We were not talking about Kellogg or the Law school. Both of those are top notch, but they are not the undergraduate school. There are several schools that have absolutely elite grad and professional programs that are at the tops of their field although their undergrad is not at the top of all colleges. Johns Hopkins for Med, NYU for Law, etc.</p>
<p>call me dumb or ignorant, but i had to google Kellogg to find out what it was.</p>
<p>You mean you didn’t think of the cereal?</p>
<p>of course i thought of the cereal 
kellogg cereal is a household name</p>
<p>Hahahaha :)</p>
<p>That’s cute…</p>
<p>Dbate, you really have to learn when to zip it. You will be sooo embarrassed if you re-read this thread in a couple of years when you actually know something.</p>
<p>I am pretty shocked at how uninformed many of you seemed to be as smart high school students, but even more shocked that you still regard your near-total ignorance as providing some kind of measurement of value. “Oh, I had never heard of Northwestern or Dartmouth, so they can’t be as good as the places I had heard of.”</p>
<p>Dbate is on Spring Break, perhaps back in Texas, and maybe with nothing better to do. I wonder if he isn’t just amusing himself. (I haven’t read every post to this thread–it’s a little boring–so if he’s indicated that he’s in Tuscany or somewhere else as pleasant and interesting, please forgive me.)</p>
<p>Three years ago (maybe 4) when my older daughter was applying to schools, Columbia was her first choice. It was before I discovered CC. After she was deferred, I found this site and started to frequent Columbia’s board, and every once in a great while Yale’s board. I found many alums, current students, and prospective students were jerks on the Columbia board. They were condescending and very rude to many parents, especially toward Barnards students. On the other hand, I found Yale students to be very friendly, knowledgeable and inclusive. Many students took time out to answer questions for prospective students, but never a put down to other schools. After all, when you are at the top there is no reason to have to defend it by putting down other schools. In many of my posts, whenever someone was trying to find “fit” and decide between different schools, I always told them to visit CC’s school boards. It gives a lot of color the school. The way students communicate (how eloquent they are) and more importantly how they treat each other over the internet, often I have used Yale as an example. Maybe there are just few posters on this thread that’s making Yale look bad, but I would have expected more of students from Yale.</p>
<p>My older daughter is at Cornell. She is extremly happy. As a junior she was offered 4 internships at major finance firms that I am sure many Yale students would be happy to get one. A distance relative of ours was accepted at Cornell, Duke and NU few years back. She chose NU over other schools and she is from NE. She is also very happy at NU and is doing well. My younger daughter has Yale on her radar because she is more into humanities. But seeing how well Cornell has served our older daughter, she may opt for Cornell over any other higher ranking schools.</p>
<p>I believe there is only one Yale student posting on this thread, and that is dbate. Dbate, like it or not, you are representing Yale here, and you are doing a really awful job of it. </p>
<p>Oldfort – My son is in dbate’s class at Yale (although he doesn’t know who dbate is). The kids my son has met at Yale (and those I’ve met through him) are like those you recollect. Besides being smart and talented, they’re mostly inclusive, inquisitive, open-minded. Not perfect specimens of humanity, but impressive. (OK, maybe I’m easily impressed.) Based on his posts on CC, I do not believe dbate is typical of Yale students.</p>
<p>I think it’s amusing that high school seniors even think that they have enough knowledge of the world to even know what’s prestigious. There are many, many categories – hotels, vacation spots, awards, fine leather goods, watches, etc. – in which high quality and / or prestige offerings won’t necessarily be widely known among the high school senior set. High school seniors are also incredibly bound, for the most part, by their local culture and don’t have the ability to understand that the pet schools that they hear about may or may not be pet schools elsewhere.</p>
<p>Stop attacking Dbate seriously, you guys think that yale is a bastion of people who are morally perfect. but face it, when you go to a school like harvard/yale/princeton/etc there will be some people who have a stick up their ass and won’t even waste their time looking at you. Dbate was not being offensive at all. I read his posts from an outsider’s point of view, and unless you have some emotional attachment to northeastern or something, his posts were non-confrontational. </p>
<p>Some of you are saying that, oh, because we don’t acknowledge northwestern as much as YALE (our bad), we are ignorant high schoolers who have not experienced enough if life. Well, first of all, no one disputes that northwestern is a GREAT school. But is it anywhere near the prestige of the elite elite schools? not really. And face it, alot of people do not know what the schools below the ivies are. You are trying to elevate a Toyota to the status of a Mercedes by claiming that those who like the Mercedes more and revere it more are ignorant because they have never experienced a Toyota. A wealthy person will ALWAYS choose the Mercedes, given that he has the money. Such is life.</p>
<p>If you go to a top school that is not in the elite group, and are happy, GOOD for you!! But don’t get sensitive when someone pokes that your school is not prestigious for the sake of name recognition. You can call the people who don’t understand the quality of usc/tufts/vanderbilt/northwestern/notre dame/etc dumb, stupid, ■■■■■■■■, condescending, but it doesn’t change the fact that they hold the school to a different level.</p>
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<p>Ahh, not true.</p>
<p>PAS:I have found dbate to be a good contributor to this site, both as a Yale aspirant and now as a yale freshman. however, his seeming closed mindedness that “how could anyone think NWU was prestigious at all as I haven’t heard of it” was the point at issue.</p>
<p>It’s funny b/c I’m the original person who brought up NWU’s chanting to other Big Ten schools as akin to Yale’s chanting of ‘safety school’ to Cornell and dBate found that incredulous and thought that NWU had no “prestige” factor to warrant such a jokingly elitist attitude. I, and others, hold a different viewpoint. Even if I were not convinced of another college’s renown, I wouldn’t categorically dismiss what others claim without further investigation – which is what dbate seemed to do. I guess my experiences lead me down that path – dbate’s experiences lead him to another.</p>
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<p>You have much to learn, grasshopper. ;)</p>
<p>^don’t be condescending towards me.
Do wealthy people live in the inner city slums? No. Why? because it’s better to live in a nice house. </p>
<p>A wealthy person may feel more comfortable driving a Toyota on a regular basis because it is less showy, and can be rough-handled. But, the Mercedes is always desired (even if kept in the garage).</p>