Atheists anyone?

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Exactly. All I hear is that "Just because we can't prove that god doesn't exist, that does not mean that he DOESN'T exist!"</p>

<p>If you honestly believe god exists, please, show me. Show me concrete evidence that there is a divine supreme all powerful being. Once I see proof, I will believe. Until then, you are talking in circles to the point where I get bored and just give up this "debate".

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<p>Prove the existence of a black hole. </p>

<p>Our universe in its present state was formed either with or without the influence of a God or gods. If I state there was said influence and you state there was not, we are on equal footing in terms of Occam's razor. I don't have to prove what I believe any more than you do. However, any rational person would have to state why they believe or disbelieve said influence which is what most Atheist/Theist discussions are.</p>

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It's so funny how Christians are content with having deluded brains.

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<p>What I think is funny is how Atheists see themselves as smarter and "free-thinkers." How they believe they derive their morals and facts from the human condition and science. How they are some how more intelligent and how they can figure it all out themselves. What they don't realize is none of their ideas are their own and they can be controlled just as well in "non-religion" as they were or could be with religion.</p>

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<p>"--How can I PROVE that Atheism is correct?
In the same way that I cannot PROVE that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist in this universe of infinite proportions, I cannot prove that there is no god for the same reason. We just assume the flying spaghetti monster to be BS, because it is BOGUS. You cannot prove that something does NOT exist.</p>

<p>On the other hand, my friend, you CAN prove that chickens exist, or even that dinosaurs once existed. What can we deduce from this? The only thing that can be proven is what is laid before us.</p>

<p>I cannot prove that there is no god, because it goes against all logical sense.
The burden of proof is on YOU!</p>

<p>But, you base your proof on "I don't have any - I have faith"
Well, using faith as a means of justification is, frankly, stupidity and ignorance at it's finest.</p>

<p>If I said that I believed in the flying spaghetti monster, and justified my belief by saying that I had faith, wouldn't you think that was a stupid form of thought? aka faulty logic? </p>

<p>Take a minute for that to soak in.</p>

<p>Good.</p>

<p>THis is the EXACT same way us atheist view theists. I really tried to lay it out for you from our perspective. Please, if you don't understand something, reread this post, it will really help to see where we are coming from.</p>

<p>I'm sorry if I offended you in your previous posts, but please take the time to read this. There is no way you can give a rebuttal.--"</p>

<p>I don't expect you to try and prove that God is not real... as you said, it's impossible. I wasn't referring to that at all. What I was referring to were your statements about all religious people being the definition of stupid, which is a completely different argument than whether or not God exists. My point was that you keep saying that religious people are dumb, yet you haven't really provided any evidence that it is true. In fact, many religious people are really smart, and many are really dumb. But to say that ALL religious people are deluded and stupid is just plain false. I didn't say that you were getting logically slaughtered over the God-debate, I said you were getting logically slaughtered over the stupid-religious people debate. If you really read my posts, you'll see that's clearly what I meant.</p>

<p>I have heard the flying spaghetti monster line tons of times, and the reality is, it doesn't add up. Some religions (i.e... scientology) are completely made up without some sort of background or figure, but religions like Christianity and Judaism have at least some historical and archeological evidence to back it up. Almost every scholar will agree that Jesus Christ did in fact exist... now, whether or not he is truly God's son, if God even exists, is up to you. My faith (which by the way, I never argued it that way) is based on the most historically accurate ancient text that we have available. Personally, I don't take everything in the Bible literally... like the flood, the six days, etc... The reason why is that the Bible has been translated countless times, and it is quite likely that the true meaning has been accidentally tampered with. </p>

<p>But anyway, now that all of that's cleared up, let's get to the actual debate. Forget Christianity, I'll stick to the basic idea of some sort of supreme creator. You've probably heard this before, but I'll go with it anyway.
Consider this... Have you ever dropped a bucket of toys, or maybe a glass cup or plate? If you have, has the result ever been something productive? How about a hurricane or tornado. When you see the aftermath of the storm on TV or in real life, do you ever see that the storm has thrown objects together and made a chair or a table? Of course not, the idea of a destructive force creating something orderly like that is absurd. What about something even more complex, like a TV, computer, or iPod? That's even more absurd, because those are incredibly complex, and it takes time and ingenuity to design them. The fact is, it's a law of nature that things naturally deteriorate... not build up. So how in the world did this universe, infinitely more complex than the best man-made object ever dreamed of, come to be by the big bang without some sort of direction? It couldn't have just happened without some sort of creator, or at least something to get the ball moving. </p>

<p>Secondly, there is no way possible to prove what really happened at the big bang, and what was really there. It happened billions of years ago, and no person was around to see what happened. The fact is, we can speculate all we want, but we will never know for sure how it happened. At least not through scientific means. Where did the first atom come from? How did these partials of matter explode into the gigantic universe? Well, we don't and won't know. Belief in God and belief in no God are ultimately both issues of faith, whether you like to admit it or not. To me, belief that this beautiful universe happened by complete chance, is a much greater leap of faith than it is to believe that something created it.
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<p>EVERY complex thing with a known origin has a creator/inventor.
The universe does not have a known origin, but it is extremely complex.
Therefore, the universe probably has a creator. </p>

<p>As for the purpose of this thread, the OP said: "I just want to know how many of you believe and how many are atheists. This is just plain curiosity and is meant in no offense to anyone." </p>

<p>So there you go. It wasn't just for atheists, it was to see how many believe and how many do not. </p>

<p>Dang that was long.</p>

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<p>Are you dumb?</p>

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<p>I am an atheist. My parents are not religious at all. Most of my relatives are not either. My mom had friends that were religious and we would go to their churches sometimes. I remember it being incredibly boring and hating every second of it. I could never bring myself to believe in God. I am fine with the realization that there is no life after death. I am not desperate for meaning behind my life.</p>

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Are you dumb?

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<p>No, are you ignorant?</p>

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<p>Exactly! Life itself has its own meaning but theists think the purpose of life is 'sucking up to please God'.</p>

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<p>No, I'm an atheist!</p>

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<p>So i have been collecting some sites that disprove god. Yay! haha take a look if u want</p>

<p>Top</a> Ten List
SAB</a>, Absurdities
Flying</a> Spaghetti Monster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The</a> Improbability of God</p>

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Exactly! Life itself has its own meaning but theists think the purpose of life is 'sucking up to please God'.

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<p>How does life itself have its own meaning? If there is no divine force then meaning is only the creation of agreement among the majority. If Atheists declare that the point of life is to be a "good person" and the theists declare the point of life is to "serve God," you cannot argue one is more correct because there is no intrinsic truth in without Theism. </p>

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No, I'm an atheist!

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<p>Your beliefs or lack thereof are inconsequential to whether or not you are ignorant of value systems as a form of control. It is the equivalent of saying "I am right because the lack of God or gods work or works in mysterious ways."</p>

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<p>-- It's so funny how Christians are content with having deluded brains. Cute, really, considering the majority of CC wants to go to Ivy's to expand their brain. --</p>

<p>Marry me.</p>

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<p>-- What I think is funny is how Atheists see themselves as smarter and "free-thinkers." How they believe they derive their morals and facts from the human condition and science. How they are some how more intelligent and how they can figure it all out themselves. What they don't realize is none of their ideas are their own and they can be controlled just as well in "non-religion" as they were or could be with religion. --</p>

<p>Okay this post made me rage so hard. You couldn't be farther from the truth. </p>

<p>As written by Christopher Hitchens in God is not Great, us atheists claim to know LESS AND LESS about everything. It is the theists who claim to know MORE AND MORE about everything. </p>

<p>You state that atheists are arrogant for believing that they know everything. First off, we don't (I dont at least). Second, it is the christians who do that. They have a narrow frame of mind that somehow has predetermined where the world came from, what it is now, and where it is going. Athiests have no clue why things happen and prefer to not touch subjects that cannot be proven either by technological restraints or otherwise. Christians, on the other hand, are EXPERTS on the journey of life. They know everything- that god created the world, that god created man, that jesus christ died on the cross for mans sin, that god is in control of the world, and that one day jesus will return and fill the streets with the blood of the nonbelievers. </p>

<p>I, on the other hand, have no clue why I am here and where I am going. </p>

<p>And I prefer, not by comfort but by reason, that I keep it that way.</p>

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<p>@urmomgoes2colege - You took the words out of my mouth! :)</p>

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<p>"--As written by Christopher Hitchens in God is not Great, us atheists claim to know LESS AND LESS about everything. It is the theists who claim to know MORE AND MORE about everything. </p>

<p>You state that atheists are arrogant for believing that they know everything. First off, we don't (I dont at least). Second, it is the christians who do that. They have a narrow frame of mind that somehow has predetermined where the world came from, what it is now, and where it is going. Athiests have no clue why things happen and prefer to not touch subjects that cannot be proven either by technological restraints or otherwise. Christians, on the other hand, are EXPERTS on the journey of life. They know everything- that god created the world, that god created man, that jesus christ died on the cross for mans sin, that god is in control of the world, and that one day jesus will return and fill the streets with the blood of the nonbelievers.--"</p>

<p>Atheists claim to know less and less? It seems your fianc</p>

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<p>AT9, I will give you credit for at least being more respectful than the atheists in this thread. However, this line of argument is flawed.


The only reason that this true is because you KNOW about watches. You have heard about how they are made, you have seen people wearing them and you know that they are created by humans. What if you walked up to Franconia notch 10 years ago and took a look at Cannon Mountain?...</p>

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Here is the incredibly and beautifully complex universe. That we know of, there was nothing before it, and we have no idea what kind of substances were there (if any) when it was created. There was no substance that it evolved from, it just happened. So look at this universe where we know next to nothing about what happened about the big bang, and what seems more likely?:</p>

<p>That it was created by blind chance?
Or that it was created by some sort of intelligent being?

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It doesn't matter what seems more likely--- it only matters what is more likely. Your strawman---blind chance--- is completely foolish. Scientists do not purport that the universe happened from blind chance--- this is antithetical to determinism in general. Scientists simply do not know, and therefore they do not assume the presence of a divine creator. There certainly are some very complex theories, such as inflation, which are determined by observations of deep space. However, are current knowledge does not include the universe's origin.</p>

<p>But does this mean that God did it?</p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>The god explanation is nothing more than a God of the Gaps argument. </p>

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To restate my argument from the previous page:
EVERY complex thing with a known origin has a creator/inventor.
The universe does not have a known origin, but it is extremely complex.
Therefore, the universe probably has a creator.

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<p>Herein lies your problem-- God does not even stop the chain of causation:</p>

<p>I know this is an often repeated Dawkins argument but by your own argument: </p>

<p>"Every complex thing with a known origin has a creator/inventor" <a href="falsified%20by%20evolution,%20but%20I'll%20humor%20you...">I</a>*</p>

<p>The creator of a complex thing is in and of himself complex no? Therefore the creator of a complex thing has a creator....</p>

<p>:)</p>

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<p>im not gona read thru the entire thing, nor am i interested in the debate.
lol. but i can proudly say,
I'M AN ATHEIST.</p>

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<p>This is a bit unrelated, but here's a question to ponder, AT9.
Why do you think a majority of CC'ers (a smart population) does not believe in a god, whereas almost everyone in the hood (uneducated population) does?</p>

<p>I'm not saying the majority is always right, because it's not, and by no means am I saying "because smart peope are atheist, there is no god" - no. merely something to ponder and analyze WHY.</p>

<p>Can you explain why this is? Don't skip this post, I'm curious to hear your opinion.</p>

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Why do you think a majority of CC'ers (a smart population) does not believe in a god, whereas almost everyone in the hood (uneducated population) does?

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I clicked on this thread, as a last resort of boredom, but is it certain that a majority of CC'ers are, in fact, atheists?</p>

<p>Or just...this one little thread in one little section of a big forum that happens to be titled "ATHEISTS ANYONE"?</p>

<p>Just saying.</p>

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<p>^A majority in the sense that there are very few in the real world, but many more (%-wise) on here. Obviously, I don't have data to claim a true "majority," but I'd put the money on my fact that There are a ton more 2400 scoring atheists than 1500 scoring atheists (%-wise)</p>

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<p>"everyone in the hood"
ahahaha</p>

<p>i don't really believe in god, but i'm just not gonna worry about it. i used to get all heated arguing about these things.. but w/e, ppl will have their opinions and it works either way whether they believe or not ;P as long as everyone gets along haha it's fine w/ me</p>

<p>seriously why the big deal all the time?? the only time i get ****ed is when ppl talk down to other ppl cuz of their beliefs/try to "convert" them to either side when the other person obviously isn't gonna change</p>

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<p>mods please lock this thread lol, it's forcing too many people to waste too much time....</p>