<p>I really messed up... Jeez.</p>
<p>Math 2: 640
World History: 620
Literature: 610</p>
<p>Should I even bother sending these? I feel like it would just hurt me. Thanks.</p>
<p>Penn requires ACT OR SAT + Subject tests right?
I can just do ACT + SAT?</p>
<p>If I do send 2, which 2 should I send? I am applying to Wharton.</p>
<p>If you’ve taken the SAT I and the ACT with writing, you’ve fulfilled Penn’s standardized testing requirements. And yeah, those subject test scores are nothing special and probably fall bellow Penn’s standards, so you might in fact be better off not sending them at all.</p>
<p>I think if you send any of the SAT, including the SAT I, then you must send SAT II’s. If you’ve taken the ACT, just send the ACT.</p>
<p>The above two posts are wrong. Penn does not do score choice, so you have to send every single test you’ve ever taken to Penn.</p>
<p>Thanks guys.</p>
<p>dfree124 is correct - you must send every single test score to Penn. Sorry for the misinformation.</p>
<p>Did you take any i nNovember? you should send those in.</p>
<p>I took the ACT in October. SAT in September. Subject Tests in November. I’ll just send everything in. I’m too honest. ='l </p>
<p>Thanks again, and goodnight sweet college.</p>
<p>I’m a current Penn student, and I promise you that you don’t have to submit the SAT II as long as you have completed the ACT with writing. Penn does not participate in score choice so you must send in all of your scores (they will evaluate your highest scores though) for a test type you submit. If you like your SAT and ACT, cool. Submit the scores for all of each of the tests. Or if you like the ACT better, submit that. You must submit all SAT II scores, though, if you only chose to send your SAT scores.</p>
<p>Their policy against score choice might be there but they will not know whether you used score choice. CC users are trying to guilt you into sending these scores so that they have an easier time getting into Penn.</p>
<p>^No one is trying to guilt anyone else. Penn’s website specifically states “Penn requires applicants to submit their entire testing history. Although Penn will pay attention to the highest scores from any test or subsection when reviewing a candidate’s application, having the complete testing profile provides deeper insight.” </p>
<p>Their rules are specifically stated, so why risk getting in trouble, especially since they pay attention to your highest scores? An overwhelming majority of people on CC are extremely helpful, so please get your facts straight before you make more ignorant posts.</p>
<p>^I am just making the point that if the OP decides to leave out her SAT II scores, Penn will never find out that she used score choice because the college board does not report that to institutions. You completely misunderstood me. I am just telling the OP about a possible choice that is hidden from many people. Penn does take the highest scores but the OP’s ONLY SAT IIs will leave a bad impression on the admission committees. Just because I say something that is not explicitly said or is considered wrong by certain people does not mean that I have to get my facts straight or that I am ignorant. Flaming me like that will get you nowhere.</p>
<p>Although the point you made earlier about leaving out SAT II scores may be true in that Penn can’t see her scores, it’s still not a good idea when Penn specifically states that they want all of her standardized test scores. As for the “flaming”, I’m sorry that I came across so harshly, but it just seems kind of severe to label people as trying to improve their own chances by hurting others when it seems like they’re legitimately trying to help.</p>
<p>“Their policy against score choice might be there but they will not know whether you used score choice.”</p>
<p>So just because you know you won’t get caught doing something wrong, it’s okay to do it? Try to game the system all you like but it’s eventually going to catch up with you. And Penn’s policy on test history reporting is black and white by the way.</p>
<p>TomasT: Your beliefs about what is ethical are different from my beliefs about ethics. I believe that gaming the system is justified. There are many things that I would consider unethical that many colleges administer in the admissions process: race, legacy and developmental admission. IMO these are unethical. But some may believe that they are completely justified. It is just a matter of opinion.</p>
<p>The reason I made that cynical comment about other CC users is because I saw it all over these threads. Making a thread about retaking a 2390 SAT has a purpose of lowering other peoples’ self esteem. Also telling people that a 2300+ is required for the ivies is misinfo. I get sick of chance threads with high scoring users with amazing stats asking if they will get into top colleges (crapshoots for everyone). This is a futile question and people make these threads to make other applicants with less impressive stats shy away from colleges. These users have their own interests in hand.</p>
<p>I think we all need to calm down. Wharton in particular would like to see the Math II subject test on your testing record. Although your subject test scores may be lackluster, it does not mean outright rejection; you can explain to them that they may be an outlier (provided that you have strong grades and AP scores in those classes). I would suggest sending them all because it would at least appear that you attempted to fulfill Wharton’s wishes rather than outright ignoring them. In addition, strong EC’s or hooks might cause them to overlook the weakness. If you took like 4 subject tests and one in a totally unrelated subject to business like the subject test in chem was really low, I would see that as justifiable to use score choice but not in a situation like this.</p>
<p>TL;DR: Send your subject test scores.</p>
<p>Can you be sure that there won’t be a reference to the scores in any information your school sends or in any of your recommendations?</p>
<p>The best way to tell colleges that your subject test was a fluke can be done in a few ways.</p>
<p>If you go to a very competitive school, take the most rigorous courses in that subject. IB/AP - then get IB 6/7 or AP 5. And then get a teacher to help you write a rec emphasizing your strength in that subject. That way, hopefully, universities will realize that your score was a fluke, and is not a true reflection of your ability. It really helps if you’re in a competitive school because course difficulty there is more easy to verify and teacher recommendations might be more credible, to an extent.</p>
<p>^ I also have a bad Math II score. I took it in May when I was taking trig class(precal really preps students well for Math II but I need credit for trig). I did self study and got an 800 on CB test. But I was too nervous on the test day, and I already knew I did poorly when I walked out of the test center.</p>
<p>I’m taking AP Calculus AB&BC this year and already retook my Math II in November (not sure if i aced it since i was still very nervous…but better). From what you said, nothing really backs up for my bad first Math II score except my math teacher wrote the recommendation for me. I think he likes me and knows me very well because he’s the school math coach and I’m the vice president of math club. </p>
<p>what do you think?</p>