<p>If you score below 600 in English SAT, and English is a second language, CMU requires TOEFL! </p>
<p>If your English SAT score is below 600 and you are a native English speaker, do you bother to apply? Assume math/science scores are stellar.</p>
<p>It varies from school to school, but the SAT numbers which are here for last year <a href="http://my.cmu.edu/site/admission/menuitem.edce48707aab43c019300710d4a02008/%5B/url%5D">http://my.cmu.edu/site/admission/menuitem.edce48707aab43c019300710d4a02008/</a> represent the middle 50% of SAT scores. So there are almost certainly kids with SATs below 600 at least at most of the schools, maybe not so many in Computer Science and the BHA/BSA program. We don't know though how many were native speakers and low scorers. A good number are foreign I'd guess as approximately 20% of CMU students are internationals.</p>
<p>I do remember that my Harvard roommate many moons ago (Bengali attending the American School in Paris) was forced to take the TOEFL despite over 600 SAT scores.</p>
<p>I believe that the official number is that 10% of undergrads are international students, though that doesn't include students born abroad that are now permanent residents and may not be native English speakers.</p>
<p>That could be - the 20% number included grad students (all I found on the CMU website) and I know at many schools there are far more international grad students than undergrads.</p>
<p>I need to return to the issue -- forget the numbers game of looking at cold sterile numbers on paper.</p>
<p>If the school implies a weakness in English if the score is below 600 in English SAT for foreign students, what would they presume if native speaker is below 600? I would have to presume that they think little about admtting such a student. After all, "The purpose of the TOEFL® test is to evaluate the English proficiency of people whose native language is not English." Logically, CMU questions the proficiency if below 600 in English SAT.</p>
<p>Better yet -- should native speakers take TOEFL®to establish proficiency? Sounds ludicrous, but the interpretations are fairly rational.</p>
<p>Hey I want to apply for this dual degree by Shiv Nadar University and Carnegie Mellon University for BS (Mechanical Engineering) from CMU and B. Tech. (Mechanical Engineering) from SNU. Is this course in India completely??? or is it at CMU?? 1st Semester starts in August 2013, plz help soon!</p>