Benazir Bhutto - A Champion, A Leader, My Hero

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<p>"do you seriously think that there is still sexism [against women]???? "</p>

<p>Is your post serious? Do you follow the news at all? Surely you cannot be that ignorant.</p>

<p>A few weeks ago, a woman in Saudi Arabia was gang raped. Do you know what happened next? The woman who was raped was sentenced to get lashed and subsequently imprisoned. That is the bastardized version of Islamic "law" that millions of people in the Muslim world are subjected to. </p>

<p>People are not discussing America, okay? They are discussing the parts of the Muslim world where women are equivalent to animals.</p>

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NO. I think women are treated better than men.

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<p>woah! you are totally wrong. you just have to watch more news about "the world" other than Europe and NA ofcourse!!!</p>

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<p>"She is portrayed in a great light...but not very accurate, she, her father..her whole family were very corrupt.
Obviously its sad that she got assasinated, but don't put too much faith in the way the media portrays her"</p>

<p>Her administration was corrupt largely due to her husband who misappropriated funds and was generally a shady guy. Although I think Bhutto's main failure was giving legitemacy to the Taliban, she herself was quite moderate and very educated. You are aware Pakistan is ruled by a dictator currently? Do you think he is corrupt?</p>

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<p>Thank you, Niddumas - the key word in my post that username missed was "worldwide." I wasn't referring to the US and even mentioned that wasn't necessarily the case in developed countries. And to say "there are a lot more people in countries where women are treated better" would be hard to support considering the majority of countries are developing not developed.Typically, male-dominated societies are the norm in developing regions. Especially in cases like the middle east (which we were primarily discussing because that's where Bhutto was from).</p>

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<p>I'm sorry, but the news does not portray an accurate representation of the world. they destort facts to make them seem more outrageous so more people would discuss, read/watch so they can earn money.</p>

<p>Two years ago, we had a teachers strike here. The media reported over 90% of the teachers decided to go on strike after the meeting they had to discuss weather to go on strike or not. When the strike was over, our teacher said that actually only 50 somthing percent of the teachers agreed to strike, and that most teachers didn't vote at all. the media counted the teachers who didn't vote as agreed to strike.</p>

<p>don't trust media. Sure you have 1 example of 1 person. and it may even not be exaggerated too much. however, do you see it often? do you see alot of them? if you did, it wouldn't be news. It'd too boring like homicide cases (and even then, there aren't that many). I'm sure most women anywhere are treated fairly. and some places, better.</p>

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<p>Also, I don't care if it's worldwide, in america in a town or in a house. The point is I don't see women being abused. I doubt you do. There aren't so many for it to be such a big issue. The only reason for people being like that is PUBLICITY. they want to look good. they want people to think that they are helping so many people when in fact, they may not be helping anyone at all or even making things harder for some. We aren't in those contries, and i truely doubt anyone who [pretends] to feel for these people enough to petition etc. etc. etc. really care at all. all they want is too look good. and to look good you need to do something to solve a big problem. the easiest way for them it seems, it to make something bigger than it really is, and then pretend to be helping to solve it.</p>

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She is portrayed in a great light...but not very accurate, she, her father..her whole family were very corrupt.
Obviously its sad that she got assasinated, but don't put too much faith in the way the media portrays her

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Her husband was the mastermind of the "corruption" in her government. Regardless, most of it was just lies that her rivals tried to use to bring her down. Her father was innocent. Zia-ul-Haq just wanted to dispose of him for his own political gain.</p>

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<p>I give up. I don't know how you can be so sure "most women anywhere are treated fairly." But whatever. I will confirm what I said in earlier posts that female inequality is a non-issue in places like the US and developed countries, but to say that most of the world is like the US and the UK would be ignorant.</p>

<p>Edit: female inequality isn't limited to physical abuse. I'm talking about issues like not even being able to vote or work without male permission. My mom's from one of those regions and she and my dad are able to support the cause by sending money overseas to family members who are working to improve their status.</p>

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<p>OMG, Username, do you have a brain? Are you serious? Have you ever gone to the Middle East? Women in Muslim countries are beaten, raped, and have few, if any rights. Saudi Arabian woman cannot even drive. You have no proof whatsoever and you are making ignorant and absurd claims. Maybe in the USA and some other western countries allow women equal and complete rights, but that doesn't include the world. Benazir Bhutto was eminent because she was the first and foremost female prime minister of a Muslim nation. You say that women are treated better than men? Have you never heard of the city of Kabul, where women are treated worse than animals by the Taliban? Either, you aren't serious or you must be joking. Only the west treats women better nad that is where the problem lies. That is why Benazir Bhutto was a great leader and a true feminist - she advocated an Islam where democracy was prominent and all religions, sexes, social classes, and peoples could be equal. You seriously need to be more mature and refute your claims with substantial and effective knowledge. I have done several projects, made speeches, and researched her incessantly. I know more about her than you and she was a brave, courageous, and noble woman who died tragically - but nevertheless, a hero.</p>

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OMG, Username, do you have a brain? Are you serious? Have you ever gone to the Middle East?

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I would like to ask you the same question.</p>

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I know more about her than you

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i absolutely agree. i know nothing about her. and i wasn't talking about her either.</p>

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<p>Well username, the point of this thread was to talk about Bhutto. Posters started discussing what she'd been doing to help females gain rights in Pakistan and then you made the claim that you're sure "most women anywhere are treated fairly." Surely you can understand why people would be upset with your comments if we're discussing a nation with few female rights.</p>

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<p>All in all, I am very sorry if my posts has angered/offended anyone.</p>

<p>I agree my knowledge is very limited. I also agree I have no basis for my points of view. </p>

<p>All I'm trying to say is, there are thousands of people dying, getting raped, beaten etc. etc. etc. and I just don't care about them. and i couldn't care for thousands of people everyday whom live thousands of kilometers away from me, whom I've never seen, talked to, or heard of before. I don't have the time, the energy or the ability to feel for all those unfortunate people. I mean if i hear about it, I go this person is so unfortunate and i feel sorry for him/her, but i can't really be crying and outraged for everyone. As cruel as this may seem, I'm sure i'm not the only one. or even the minority. </p>

<p>I am angered by the fact that some people take advantage of these unfortunate people and exaggerate it and make it to their own advantage so they can look like heros (I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS BENAZIR PERSON), while they aren't doing anything good for society and are selfish people who couldn't care less about others and only want a good name.</p>

<p>I care about those close to me, those around me, those whom I've cotacted and/or connected with. And in this case, right now for me it's a little place in canada and a little place in china. from my knowledge of those around me, no one is being treated unfairly because of their gender. I look around, however, and find so many women groups (not so much in china). </p>

<p>And as I've said before, the majority of people are treated fairly. even if all of singapore (just an exaggerated example) was racist, sexist, whatever, and all of china was perfectly fair, it really doesn't matter. there are too small a percentage. </p>

<p>I'm not saying that the things should stay the way they are for women who are being treated unfairly by any means, don't get me wrong. I totally agree with them changing for the better of those people. I'm just sick of publicity hungary people. And anyone who talks about these things in general, because you are using it for your own benefit somehow... let's face it: not many people can feel deeply for people that has absolutely nothing to do with them at all, and only heard about them from exaggerated news reports they've heard presumably in the morning when they're drinking their cup of coffee before work.</p>

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<p>also sorry for getting off topic ;)</p>

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<p>^^ Well username, that's your philosophy and you are certainly free to live however you damn well please. For those of us who don't have the luxury of being an ignorant philistine, lets get back to the topic at hand.</p>

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<p>no need to get so unfriendly.</p>

<p>can you truthfully say that you care about these people whom you don't know at all? and i don't mean "care" as in I wish these people's lives get better. I do too. I mean "care" as in to spend so much time, effort, and passion (and offensively attacking others who disagree) to "help" these people without ANY or some sort of benenfit for yourself at all?</p>

<p>don't answer me. Answer it honestly to yourself.</p>

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<p>"don't answer me. Answer it honestly to yourself."</p>

<p>No, I will answer you. I do care becuase my family lives in that region of the world. The implications of this situation directly affect me and indirectly affect you, so you should care.</p>

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<p>Since this is primarily a college forum, and I presume you are applying to college, why don't you throw this witty little gem into your application essays:</p>

<p>"All I'm trying to say is, there are thousands of people dying, getting raped, beaten etc. etc. etc. and I just don't care about them."</p>

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<p>Well.... if you/family lives in that region of the world..... that's a completely different story isn't it? I "feel" sorry for you in that case, but not enough to be so passionate and fight for it. </p>

<p>I told you not to answer me for a reason. </p>

<p>and about the last part of what you said, I am a very little insignificant being in this vast planet/universe, and chances are, I will not make any difference at all during my time here. I am so insignificant that those things shall not affect me either at all. so really, it doesn't affect me at all.</p>

<p>Anyways, I shall not argue with you any longer. If I have offended or angered you which i'm sure i have, I am very sorry. I hope you will forgive me for my "Philistine ignorance". I am who I am, and too stupid to see my ignorance. I am unfortunate enough to be so stupid and ignorant, and there really is no need for you to be so offensive. Though i am not offended by any of it.</p>

<p>and to your last post, i still have a few more years. and again, I am angered by the fact that ** People take advantage of others' misfortunates to better themselves and gain better names for themselves**. I am not yet stupid enough to put that on my application yet. but I won't pretend i'm so passionate about something i'm not.</p>

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<p>uh..it's too late at night....yea...est 4.00 am..i'll come back today later and reply!</p>

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<p>niddumas and asifkhan, I specifically said </p>

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<p>And he or she didn't respect me at all so, I'm not going to argue. Someone else asked me to clarify and i did in a pm so if you're insistent on knowing my opinion just pm me.</p>

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Women in Muslim countries are beaten, raped, and have few, if any rights.

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<p>WOW, that's a very broad claim. Being a Muslim myself i could not let you get away with making such an adamant claim. For someone who is so strict on sources and proof I find it quite funny that you think that in only EVERY SINGLE Muslim country women are beaten raped and have few rights. What about in America? Are there women that are beaten? Are there women that are raped? Do women have the EXACT same rights as men? ummmmmm...Yes,Yes, and NO. Way to profile only muslim countries in your absurd claim. And while your at it, has America had a women leader yet? Wait, no? O, but Pakistan a definite Islamic state has. Does that automatically mean woman in Pakistan have more rights than American women?</p>

<p>niddumas and ballin4ever where are your families from?</p>