<p>@username - i do accept your apology as you are being very cordial and sincere. However, i would still like to say that you didn't back up any of your evidence with substantiated claims. While niddumas gave various examples of women in Saudi Arabia, I did the same, and so did many other. You, on the other hand, merely just stated your view and didn't refute it at all. This shows that your view is not valid and doesn't really make sense. Last time I checked, USA, UK, and a few other western countries didn't compose the world. Study World History and come back to this thread. Throughout the Muslim world [countries with a Muslim majority], with Turkey being the exception, women have few rights and they are treated like animals. Why am I saying this? Because it is true and because I have seen it. I have seen women in Saudi Arabia harassed by men. I have seen the subordination of women to men in several Islamic countries - Pakistan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. I can tell by your crude posts that you are still probably an immature Freshman or in junior high school. Don't worry. It takes time to mature and hopefully, you will have gained some insight. The reason there are so many women's organizations and such is that feminism is a broad cause, in developing countries. The Taliban killed women whose burqa -[religious veil] was just a few inches short. A few inches short!!!! That is horrible and many women can't do anything. They can't get any education, can't work in public, often are arranged/forced to marry men, and have limited social lives. I know this because one of my friends - a girl - hated Saudi Arabia just for that. She told me that the police is very strict on women. This pattern of misogyny pervades throughout the Muslim world, again with few exceptions such as Turkey. Username, the thread was not meant for you to rudely barge in and dictate your irrelevant and immature claims. We were here to honor Benazir Bhutto - not talk about how women are more powerful than men [which is completely absurd]. I hope you have picked up some examples that allow you to broaden and expand your mind.</p>
<p>@Sheed - I sincerely apologize if i offended you at all. Do not take my words to the heart. However, I like I've said before, my claim is true again, with the exception of a few countries.</p>
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Women in Muslim countries are beaten, raped, and have few, if any rights.</p>
<p>However, I can still see that your claims are irrelevant and don't make any sense whatsoever. I said women in Muslim countries and I clarified that with Muslim countries. Is America, UK, or Japan a Muslim country? Is it? I see you have arrived at your mistake. America is not a Muslim country and therefore, I wasn't referring to it. When I said Muslim country, I meant a country in which the majority of people are Muslim. This predominantly includes Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, The Middle East, North Africa, and Southeastern Europe. My family is Pakistani and my "broad claim" makes sense entirely. Ask yourself honestly, do women have equal rights than men? No, they don't. They are forced/arranged into marriages, have little/no education, cannot work in public, have limited social lives, and cannot even lave their house without a male accomplice. I have been, as i said in my previous post, to several Muslim countries before and I have witnessed the gruesome conditions in which they must thrive. In the Middle East, especially, their status is comparable to an animal. They cannot do anything. It deeply saddens me that they are treated like this. In the Middle East, they are treated like property. All you've said is your view, without any evidence, just like username. Want me to back up my claim to you? Look at the various women that have their stories splattered across the news - Al Jazeera and PTV. Their stories show that they have no rights and are raped, beaten, and have no rights at all. Research Sharia and come back to talk. More specifically, research Saudi Arabian law pertaining towards women.</p>
<p>I brought up America as my own example of a country that does not have the exact same rights as men. Research my Shariah? I know my shariah and i never brought that up, so why should i have to research it? I'm Libyan and after being there i see that most women can do whatever the hell they want and no one cares at all. Many of them have their own cars and drive own businesses, work, are rich and everything. They walk around with or without hijab on their own will, etc. Same with Tunis, women can do whatever they want, the only thing the Tunis government does is PREVENT women from wearing hijabs in governmental buildings, etc. Have you been to morocco? Egypt? How can you say All North Africa is ridden with inequality. That is the proof i want. (I mean it is, but no to the extremes i've seen you stating). and earlier you wrote about the women who was raped getting lashed in saudi arabia. She BROKE THE LAW! Therefore she had to pay the consequences. n S.A. it is illegal for women to be alone with men that aren't related to them, and there is a severe penalty for that. If she was never with the man in the first place she would not have been gang-raped. You also neglected to tell everyone the punishment of the men who raped her. and not only was SHE raped but if my sources are correct then the GUY she was with was also raped and got the EXACT SAME punishment, so it wasn't only the women who got the verdict. It was equal for both men and women. ( now i am not saying that S.A. has equal rights for men and women, or that she should have been punished or anything like that, i'm just showing you the rest of the story).</p>
<p>Apparently your visits to the middle east have been into some specific areas. I would not disagree with your statement that there is a lot of abuse of women, however, sheed is also correct in that this is not only a problem in Muslim countries. For one thing, you do need to check your facts, the laws in Saudi do not apply in all Middle East countires. For instance, the Minister of Finance and Economics in the UAE is a woman. Many, many women work, and there is no restriction on travel, driving, or mode of dress. That is left to the individual. Are there individual abuses, yes, but it is not condoned, or ignored by the government. For another point, recently, Saudi women have been given the right to work outside the home. There is a trend with the younger generations coming up to equalize the laws, although they certainly have a long way to go. In Pakistan, to be very specific, there is discrimination against women in lack of educaiton opportunities particularly in the non-urban poorer areas. To go back to your original post, in the close to 6 years that Benazir ran Pakistan she did nothing to increase availability of health care or education for anyone, and specifically not for women. God rest her soul, no one should be assassinated for their beliefs or presence at the forefront of anything, but her record stand as what it was, there is no ability to change that. Corruption charges were upheld by the Swiss courts, which surely were not influenced by Pakistani politics. ( as a matter to support my statements you may check Wikepedia at least. I also lived in Pakistan during Benazirs 2 administrations and now live in the UAE)</p>
<p>ballin4ever are you muslim? And if so, sunni?</p>
<p>Sheed, yes, I am a Sunni Muslim. But, and hopefully we can all agree on this, Muslim women do not have the same rights as men in Muslim countries. I have been to Jeddah International Airport and women are draped in veils. Recently, as one person said, expatme, Saudi women have gained the right to work outside but COMPARED TO DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, women have not achieved that status of equality. I have been to Pakistan and I have witnessed women crying and telling me stories of their brutal oppression. In the village that my grandparents are from, people come and tell me the horrible stories - which are very severe - of how women were beaten, raped, and killed. The Taliban relentlessly killed women for fun - it was a game sport. And do you know what i say to these people? [not to Sheed or any other person on this thread.] I feel like going to these brutal, heinous people and asking them, "How dare you call yourself Muslim?" Benazir Bhutto wasn't able to make so many changes from women, as expatme correctly said, because she was ousted unfairly from her office on corruption charges BY HER HUSBAND. IT IS IMPORTANT WE UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION. Her husband - indeed - was a very corrupt person but her heart was in the right place. When the Taliban were threatening her daily to kill her, she stood strong. She is a legacy, a champion, a hero, and a wonderful politician - the best educated person Pakistan has ever known - because and because she was THE FOREFRONT of democracy. She is a champion and her party [PPP] has always had the greatest popularity and most votes in all of Pakistan. May she rest in peace, for she was a mother, wife, and a beloved leader. And any Muslim that kills or abuses a woman is not a true Muslim. He is a disgrace and he shall burn in hell.</p>
<p>Do you agree that in Islam, men and women have DIFFERENT rights? Women have rights that men don't, and men have rights that women don't? In Islam men and women do not have the exact same rights.</p>
<p>Anyways, I said i wasn't going to say anything about Bhutto so i won't, But people are responsible for their own actions no matter what. You can blame whoever you want, but the fact remains that when things are in your name, it is your responsibility. </p>
<p>And with the taliban (i am absolutely not supporting them in any way) didn't they prevent rape and other things happening to women. Tell me if im wrong but it is clearly documented everywhere in the world that there was a lot more rape and pillaging and beating of women after the Taliban were ousted in 2001 than before, when they were ruling.</p>
<p>No, you are wrong.
Please watch this video and comment back.</p>
<p>Click the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawa.us/movies/zarmeena.mpg%5B/url%5D">http://www.rawa.us/movies/zarmeena.mpg</a></p>
<p>my apologies to niddumas weren't so sincere. However, I do apologize sincerely to anyone whom i may have offended as I've said.
I've also said i don't have much knowledge/basis for what i've said. It is purely my opinion of which I gathered from looking around. </p>
<p>No, US, UK etc don't make of the world. However, Countries in which women DO have equal rights or at least almost as much or similar rights' total population versus the amount of women actually being abused is substantial do you not agree? </p>
<p>There are also people being abused because of <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-confidential-cafe/432367-rant-why-heightism-joke.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-confidential-cafe/432367-rant-why-heightism-joke.html</a> and various other things. But how many people actually are? </p>
<p>I'm sure there are women being abused in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the world. But first of all, if it were so common it wouldn't be news. You just don't see convience stores being robbed on the news do you. Secondly, I have given one example of how media distorts facts significantly, and since I have never been within a few thousand kilometers to said places, I can only base anything on the media, which has been proven faulty and untrustworthy.</p>
<p>Maybe there are many women being abused in Saudi Arabia. Maybe all of them are. Maybe i'm an ignorant fool who doesn't know anything.</p>
<p>BUT that does not give you, or niddumas the right to flame me. I have my own opinion, and even if it's wrong, you can reason more civilized... </p>
<p>Again, I am truly very sorry if i had hurt anyone in any way at all with my posts. That was not my purpose at all.</p>
<p>username, something in your first post bothers me. you stated:
"do you seriously think that there is still sexism [against women]???? I mean obviously there are some but so less it's unimportant."</p>
<p>is it unimportant that women still do not make nearly as much money as men do? despite the fact that more women attend college? if that isn't sexist i don't know what is.
and if there is no more sexism, how come we don't have an Equal Rights Amendment?</p>
<p>Sorry to change the subject from Bhutto- I believe she was a great woman, but to be honest I never knew too much about her until she was assassinated and I began researching her.</p>
<p>do you have statistics for more women going to college? </p>
<p>anyways, if you look around, look at the iron chefs of japan: all males. iron chef america: one female rest all males. Richest people in the world: males. Presidents, premiers, what have you: mostly males. </p>
<p>Ivy league + stanford MIT cal tech etc: I think all have more males, but it's only like 51 or 52 to 48,49 i think because they try to balance it out. but grade school is like 75ish to bit more than 20.</p>
<p>Best athletes: if you combine the times of men and women, all records are mens.</p>
<p>I dunno. Maybe it is because there are just more men in the world. Maybe it was a gift from god we got. either way, men do have better skills than women. Shouldn't an Iron chef earn more money than an average cook?</p>
<p>Also, I think that women like to take care of children, and so they stay home while their husbands goes out to earn money for the family. It's a mutual decision made by the two of them, not sexism. It could easily have been turned around. </p>
<p>there are a lot of reasons why women make less money.</p>
<p>lol ^^^^</p>
<p>And please don't even go to the Equal Rights Amendment. Because trust me, you wouldn't want that. You want to be required to be part of the draft and fight? You want all those labor laws that help women in certain industries to fly out the window? You want their to be ZERO all girl schools? You want ALL sports to be mixed between men and women? You don't want there to be Only women restrooms? </p>
<p>These are all things that could happen if it was passed. Now, I don't really care if that amendment was passed, but all the things women take for granted in this country would vanish.</p>
<p>And from what I know, more women go to college than men.</p>
<p>hmm..seems like the topic of discussion rather turned into a male vs. female rights!</p>
<p>I tried to read all these huuge posts (:D) by all u gusy..I tried to skim a lot of them..sorry if I'm coming up w/ a repeated question/answer...</p>
<p>oh, abt whether women have the same rights/position in a society? Okay, no need for stats alright? Just go and ask it in the MOST ADVANCED country in the world..which ever you think that is...no, I'm not trying to refer to just to NA or Europe...just ANYWHERE you think women have the equal or even more position in the society/community/country. Just ask them...ask one or millions....you'll get your answer...they won't say they get more privilege or such...I bet you on that.</p>
<p>I felt like quoting each and every sentence of username and reply..but I just felt that'd be waste of time. I'm glad that you apologized deliberately for your ignorant comment...which in fact is ignorant to the extent that you haven't seen the picture (world) from a distance to get an overview of the whole world...rather you are viewing 1/100th piece of it that seems colorful and all peaceful. I'm NOT blaming you for it..no one can be blamed for it...however if u don't want to just leave your comfort to have the "wonderful" view of the whole picture..then, it may very well be blamed on you for being ignorant..and of course you DON'T have to see the bigger picture if you don't want to...and definitely you can live the rest of your life w/o looking at it.</p>
<p>I'll try to quote the least:</p>
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don't trust media. Sure you have 1 example of 1 person. and it may even not be exaggerated too much.
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yes very true! I second you TOTALLY! ;) But, here's the thing...if you look at ALL the media around the world and then combine their opinion you may be shocked to find that a lot of their "self-interest" was really common on the question of whether women are treated fairly, and you will have to come to a conclusion from a majority(or plurality) of the opinions of media/personal/visual experience that women ARE NOT treated equally around the world at all! you don't' have to take my words at all..but just do a bit of research if you want to know.
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The point is I don't see women being abused. I doubt you do.
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again it goes back to what I just said...u haven't seen the overall picture.</p>
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okay, Username...here comes my only question to you: who do you mean by "them" you said it several several times once bolding it to catch attention.</p>
<p>Yes, here again, I agree with what you said..."SELF INTEREST". I believe in this too. I too believe that self interest fuels anybody and everybody in the world. Everybody does have self interest. But you know what, self interest doesn't have to materialistic or something that catches your attention among people....it is NOT true!!! there are people who tend to fulfill their self interest through helping others 'totally' silently....and chances are he/she will get famous and there are chances s/he will not! there are millions of people who didn't become famous by "public service" that his/her "morals" made him/her think that as his/her self interest! A lot of times people can have such self interests to please God/gods/lord/etc. and again a lot of times out of his/her own morality that does NOT involve become famous among people or earning a lot of money! it is more kind of dealing with "mental satisfaction"!</p>
<p>think about what I just said again please...coz....it is the fact! (again, I don't wanna insert this on you)</p>
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I don't have the time, the energy or the ability to feel for all those unfortunate people. I mean if i hear about it, I go this person is so unfortunate and i feel sorry for him/her, but i can't really be crying and outraged for everyone. As cruel as this may seem, I'm sure i'm not the only one. or even the minority.
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no you are def. not the minority at all! in fact you are rather the majority! and it again goes back to what I said about self interest and being exposed to the bigger picture of the world. No one is to be blamed for his/her perception at the first place...but of course if you come to the influence..one must try to comprehend and change his/her morals if required to. People totally give them up to help others..yes there are people like that...which is again going back to self interest/mental satisfaction/morals that has nothing to deal w/ being famous.
I was abt to quote soo many other things u said later which falls into one fof the things I just said so I rather decided not to quote further.</p>
<p>Username: if you think I posted such a huge thread just to "attack" you for whatever "self interest" I have..then you are wrong! I just wanted to clarify where you are getting wrong..and whether you should rethink your values/morals...of course you can live the rest of your life caring nothing abt the world.
I definitely didn't want to just offend you..if I did..I apologize.</p>
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Sheed: okay...it's a wrong statement. You should rathe rsay, In Muslim countries or in Countries that have a majority of Muslims, women don't have the same rights...can you see why I'm saying that right?
In Islam...women and men have not been assigned the EXACT same role.....if this is what you mean, then you are right. And in "Muslim Countries" the role of women has been undermined..BUT, Islam DID NOT put women under men!!! it has nothing to do w/ Quran or Hadith......current condition of women has everything to do w/ how the muslim governments in the past and the present have interpreted the role of women. </p>
<p>I wanted to quote some more....I think i'll later...tired right now.</p>
<p>Haha, i just found this thread and had to respond to one of Sheed's posts (Not that i agree with username or anything, but this one is just easier than fighting a pointless battle).</p>
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<p>sure. I plan to register for the draft anyway, because i do feel that if we want equal rights, we've got to give up some of the "womenly" privileges. And that includes things like first dibs on train/bus seats.</p>
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<p>What laws? are you referring to the affirmative action-like things for women in engineering, etc? I don't think those have anything to do with ERA, just attracting women to a field where there are few of them. The sup. ct. has ruled on this before, i believe.</p>
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<p>There ARE all guys schools too, you know? And from my understanding they can still exist, just w/o gov't funding.</p>
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<p>Wouldn't that be fun?? But really, i don't think anyone is denying physical differences between men and women, so again, i don't think this would be affected. My understanding is that i would kinda be like Title IX is now for public schools.</p>
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<p>Absolutely! gender-neutral bathrooms are so much better, AND the lines would be shorter. Also parents wouldn't be paranoid about sending children of the opposite sex into a public restroom w/o supervision. See? You kill so many birds with one stone, AND you make bathrooms more transgender friendly :)</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>These are all things that could happen if it was passed. Now, I don't really care if that amendment was passed, but all the things women take for granted in this country would vanish.<<<<</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>I do think that's one of the problems with many women-- they want all the benefits, equal rights and "positive" stereotypes. But, we must realize that we have to actually agree to being treated EQUALLY, and not just when it works to our advantage.</p>
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<p>Yea, isn't that why CC "Chances" threads are automatically more favorable for males? I don't remember how many times i've seen someone post that being a male is an advantage, esp. for some LACs.</p>
<p>sheed: the equal rights amendment is (from equalrightsamendment.org)</p>
<p>Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate
Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.</p>
<p>It isn't meant to take away my bathroom, it's mostly meant to ensure equal pay for equal work. while most of what username said in his post was ridiculous, he was correct in saying that men hold more athletic records than women. They are BUILT differently, and the ERA is not trying to deny that. In my opinion, it did not pass because unhappy wives were scared of losing their chance at alimony. it had the support of most of the country, it just feel short from the 3/4 necessary. the amendment is not denying that women are anatomically different than men but rather it is just saying we are capable of holding the same jobs and being treated with respect, just as men are. and if there were a draft, i would protest it without a doubt (for both sexes or for only men) but at the same time i'm sure it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure israel has all citizens serve in the military for two years. it's just a fact of life that people accept.</p>
<p>username:
more women go to college than men. at most ivies & stanford it is right near 50-50. at many LAC's it is 40-60. technical schools have more men because more men tend to be interested in those fields, yet they are actively recruiting women and are getting more each year. Here's a good article, if you're interested:
USATODAY.com</a> - College gender gap widens: 57% are women
i have no idea where you got that graduate school ratio. please tell me your source, because i could not find anything and i'm interested.
also you said:
"Maybe it is because there are just more men in the world. Maybe it was a gift from god we got. either way, men do have better skills than women. Shouldn't an Iron chef earn more money than an average cook?"
ummmm, now i'm sure if i were to show this to anyone they would most likely say that this is sexist. there are more women in the world. not all of them aspire to be a housewife; i know i don't.
and also my original argument was that men and women don't earn equal pay FOR EQUAL WORK. not just because of their choice of occupation. women make 78 cents for every dollar men make doing the same work with the same responsibilities. now if you believe that is fair, then you, my friend, are an ass.
here's another interesting article: CNN.com</a> - Equal pay for women? Not till 2050 - Oct 22, 2004</p>
<p>so i think i'm done with my rant. if anything wasn't coherent, please ask me to clarify; i'm tired after a long day's work for 78% of what men make</p>
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She BROKE THE LAW! Therefore she had to pay the consequences. n S.A. it is illegal for women to be alone with men that aren't related to them, and there is a severe penalty for that. If she was never with the man in the first place she would not have been gang-raped.
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<p>And this justifies her punishment? I was not commenting on the legality of her action, I was demonstrating Saudi Arabia's backasswardly violent, ascetic interpretation of Shariah (or whatever motivates their "laws") as an example of the ideology that serves no purpose in a modern world.</p>
<p>Are you serious bud? The fact that its their "law" means the rest of humanity has to tolerate it?</p>
<p>Niddumas? You want to talk about Shariah? Okay.... </p>
<p>Is it haram for a married woman to be alone with another man that's not her "mahram" or relative?</p>
<p>And second of all, you keep saying HER, and it was not just HER that was punished, THE GUY, that with her, GOT THE EXACT SAME PUNISHMENT! AND WAS ALSO RAPED! It had nothing to do with women's rights. Now I am absolutely not saying that she should have punished or anything like that. I am also definitely not saying the world has to accept it either. i'm aksi not saying S.A. follows the correct Shariah because from what I see and believe, they DO NOT, but the fact remains that if you break the law you pay the consequences no matter where the hell you live. If there laws are backwards or not, is not my problem, you still have to obey there laws. Now I know this is no where near the same level (but this is just the idea), but if people from Mexico think that the USA is backwards in that they do not allow people that are 18 years old to drink, it doesn't mean they can come to America at the age of 18 and drink. You have to obey the law, wherever you are.</p>
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Are you serious bud? The fact that its their "law" means the rest of humanity has to tolerate it?
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<p>Yes, I am serious that you have to obey the law wherever you are, whether you disagree with it or not.</p>
<p>And with the ERA, I would vote against it because there WILL be women who want to play in the NBA and NFL and MLB, and it's just biology, women do not have the exact same bodies as men. So sports will be ruined. I don't want same sex bathrooms, talk about getting raped. That's just messed up. and the labor laws are the one in heavy machinery that says something about protecting women or something. I never said there weren't all guy schools, i just said everything would be mixed. Everything would be messed up. But i mean like, besides pay, what can men do that women can't, that they want t osooooooooooooooooo badly?</p>
<p>Asifkhan yea, whatever I meant, I just meant that there are differences no matter how you look at it. In the Islam I guess I know, men and women are completely equal. </p>
<p>And asifkhan we talk about women's right s all the time in Both AP World History and AP English, Like 90% of the girls there think they have the same rights as men. Although there are personal discriminations, they do think they have the same rights. But yes, I agree that around the world women definitely do not have the same rights as men.</p>
<p>ballin4ever what the hell is your problem? Why the hell are you showing me a video of a woman getting shot? What is wrong with you? I never said women were not killed by the taliban, and that was definitely uncalled for to send me that damn video. If you like seeing people get shot, go ahead and watch it, but i personally don't. I have completely lost all respect for you.</p>
<p>First of all, one post above me said that debating with username is fighting a pointless battle. I agree completely. Username, you have NO POINTS OR VALID STATEMENTS whatsoever. You are an ignorant buffoon who has no intellect whatsoever. Please do m a favor and never take a class that requires intellectual thinking/ability. Please, LOL. Never take Philosophy or any Government AP Classes. I am sure that you are immature and unreasonable. Your comments have absolutely no basis and you make no sense. WOMEN DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AT MEN IN the world. That is that. My AP Euro teacher was telling us how, even in the us, women don't get the same amount of pay as men for doing the SAME EXACT JOB. Why? Because they are women. </p>
<p>@Sheed - I lost my respect the second I read your first post. That video was meant for you, to show you that the Taliban didn't make things better. You said they helped women avoid rape and death when, that video shows you are wrong. What the hell is my problem? I was thinking about asking you the same, exact question. You seem to be a person who is narrow-minded and you are saying that the Taliban MADE THINGS BETTER? All I can say is, shame on you. I wouldn't expect anything better from you at all. Notice that you have lost the debate entirely and you have no point at all. Username, is different because he is funny in an arrogant way but you, are being proven wrong by everyone in this thread. Save yourself the embarrassment. You agree with Shariah, which gives women the status of an animal in Saudi Arabia, a Muslim country that is vital to all Muslims. We all look at Saudi Arabia to interpret Islamic Law, and if we see how the treat women, we automatically "assume" that Islam meant for women to be treated like that. Islam has never discriminated against women and it is a religion for both men and women - in equal status. Please do your homework, get your sleep, and THINK BEFORE YOU POST. lol</p>
<p>Have you actually read any of my posts? Stop putting words in my mouth. First of I said "taliban (i am absolutely not supporting them in any way)" </p>
<p>Then you go and say "Taliban MADE THINGS BETTER" </p>
<p>I say rape and you include that i said less death.</p>
<p>How am i narrow minded?</p>
<p>How have I lost a debate when there never was one? And if there was, you haven't proved any of my points wrong at all. Not 1 point i said was proved incorrect. </p>
<p>I'm not embarrassed</p>
<p>You say Shariah gives women the status of an animal, So i say screw off, no it doesn't. Show me where it does in the hadith and qur'an.</p>
<p>No-one i know LOOKS at Saudi-Arabia to interpret Islamic law, we look at the 4 Imams. I have never met anyone who followed S.A. law (aside from their citizens) over the laws of Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanbali, and Abu Hanifa. And more people look at Pakistan instead of S.A. anyways</p>
<p>Do my HW? Ok. First off being me proof that Shariah gives women the status of an animal. Bring me proof that everyone looks at S.A. Bring me proof that there was more rape before the taliban than after.</p>